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To: Iscool
John 3:16 speaks of individuals accepting Jesus. By doing so they are saved (salvation). Redemption, on the other hand, gives all men the *opportunity* to make such a choice. His redemptive death does that.

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:2)

And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again. (2 Corinthians 5:15)

So, I agree with you...no atheists or Muslims..because they have not accepted Christ. The Pope is not saying that they are saved. He is saying what Paul says above...that he died for all.

However, I absolutely agree that, although not his intention, what he says sends the wrong message...and I do find that troubling. It doesn't make me waver in the Catholic Faith however.

28 posted on 05/23/2013 1:28:43 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
John 3:16 speaks of individuals accepting Jesus. By doing so they are saved (salvation). Redemption, on the other hand, gives all men the *opportunity* to make such a choice. His redemptive death does that.

Redemption is future...No one is redeemed, yet...

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

And it is our bodies that will be redeemed, when we are given an immortal body...

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

As you can see, redemption is only for those who have trusted in and believed Jesus for their salvation...No athesists or muzlims...

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

But your pope says,

The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ

No, no the Lord has NOT redeemed all of us...And he will not redeem all of us...Your pope is putting all people into the same hat and of course this creates a huge anti-biblical problem...

Jesus is the Redeemer but that redemption is only given to those who trust in Jesus...And, that redemption is what takes place when we Christians are 'changed'...When we take on the body type of Jesus...The immortal body...Redemption is NOT given to the people of the World...

36 posted on 05/24/2013 7:54:03 AM PDT by Iscool
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