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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; Diego1618; roamer_1; Diamond; patlin; editor-surveyor

Ruy, you have been doing a great job but i am afraid you are dealing eithr with a cultist who’s hatred for the Catholic Church has blinded him to Biblical truth or someone who is so ignorant of the Scriptures, he can’t understand what you are saying. In either case, we need to pray for his soul.
he admits in post #276 that Jesus rose on the third day. ok, you would think if everyone agrees on that point, we can then move forward to find truth.
when is “the third day” in the Scriptures? well, according to Jesus in Luke 13:31-33, the third day is the day after tomorrow. when is tomorrow? tomorrow is the day after today. the way Jesus counts days in Luke 13 is entirely consistent with the rest of the Scriptures, Exodus 19:10-11 and Acts 10:1-30 are further confirmation of how days are counted. the Jews to this day still count days the same way, so a male baby born on a Wednesday must be circumcised by the 8th day, which means by sundown the following Wednesday ( the day of birth counting as day one )
so our friend puts forth his unique theory of a wednesday death and a 7th day sabbath rising from the dead. does this theory fit with Jesus rising on the third day? Let’s look:
wednesday - day one
thursday - tomorrow = day two
friday - day after tomorrow = third day
so if we count days the way Jesus did in Luke 13, a wednesday crucifixion would mean He rose from the dead on friday, since that is the third day from wednesday. utterly impossible and Luke 24 proves it is impossible.
Luke 24 occurs on Sunday, the first day of the week. v1 says “ but on the first day of the week “. this of course follows Luke 23:56, which tells us the women rested on the 7th day sabbath, according to the commandment.
Further in Luke 24, v13 tells us the conversation on he road to Emmaus happened “that very day”, i.e. it is still the first day of the week. Luke 24:21 is the key verse in all of the Bible for telling us exactly what day Jesus died andon which day He rose, since it says “ and besides all this, it is now the THIRD DAY since these things happened”. of course, the “these things” refers to v20 where they are discussing His crucifixion.
here is where logic has to be used - if the first day of he week is the third day since the crucifixion occurred, and Jesus was to rise ON THE THIRD DAY, Jesus had to have risen from the dead ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. ( the day Christians have taught and believed for 2,000 years )
But on what day did He die? Following the Biblical rule of how to count days, we KNOW He died on Friday:

Friday - day one
Saturday - tomorrow - day two
Sunday - day after tomorrow - the third day

well, well, well, what do you know? historical Christianity has been right all along. the Universal Faith spread across the known world from the Apostles taught that Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday, the third day. and yes, this Faith also teaches that the 7th day Sabbath observance ended at the cross and the rest for the Christian is now resting “ in Christ” and His sacrificial death which reconciles us to the Father.


314 posted on 05/18/2013 7:32:56 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; Ruy Dias de Bivar; Diego1618; roamer_1; Diamond; editor-surveyor
Jesus said that there would only be one sign given, that of Jonah,

Mt 12:40 “As Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the fish, so shall the Son of Adam be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth”

Jn 11:9 “Are there not 12 hours in a day (daytime, the time of light)? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. 10 But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.”

So it would seem that man is still having trouble counting hours and days. If the Son of God says 3 days AND 3 nights and that there are 12 hours to each of them, as Peter and the other apostles said, “we ought to obey God rather than men.” (Acts 5:29-32)

So to say that the 4th Commandment, the Commandment that contains the sign, the mark of God's people is no longer valid for those who believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, this is literally taking His Name in vain. Have you not read Isa 56 and the command and promise to the Gentiles concerning His Sabbath?

343 posted on 05/20/2013 9:07:24 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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