Did the early Church move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? (Ecumenical)

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[Diego1618]

Here is the problem with your calendar:

It shows Nisan 14 falling on a Friday. Whoop de doo! Why do you suppose Mr. Fotheringham used that date?

The Vernal Equinox (in the year 30 A.D.) fell on March 23rd at 12:49 A.M. Jerusalem time.

Season Calendar for Jerusalem

Coincidentally, the new moon also fell on the same day....which was a Thursday. If (as your calendar shows) the 14th was Friday....then the new moon would have been on a Saturday.

30 A.D. is known for the fact that the New Moon and the Equinox occurred on the same day. This happens about four times every 59 years.....so it's somewhat unusual.

It does not take a degree in mathematics to then count to 14 (including Thursday as day #1)...... to arrive at Passover, Wednesday the 14th, 30 A.D.

Since you don't know..... I'll explain something to you. Mr. Fotheringham was a charlatan.....doing nothing more than forcing his conclusions to fit the Main Stream narrative.

[Elsie]

Cowboy Poetry

by Bill Jones

 

 

 

Jake, the rancher, went one day
to fix a distant fence.
The wind was cold and gusty
and the clouds rolled gray and dense.

As he pounded the last staples in
and gathered tools to go,
The temperature had fallen,
the wind and snow began to blow.

When he finally reached his pickup,
he felt a heavy heart.
From the sound of that ignition,
he knew it wouldn't start.

So Jake did what most of us
would do if we had been there.
He humbly bowed his balding head
and sent aloft a prayer.

As he turned the key for the last time,
he softly cursed his luck.
They found him three days later,
frozen stiff in that old truck.

Now Jake had been around in life
and done his share of roaming.
But when he saw Heaven, he was shocked --
it looked just like Wyoming!

Of all the saints in Heaven,
his favorite was St. Peter.
(Now, this line ain't needed
but it helps with rhyme and meter)

So they set and talked a minute or two,
or maybe it was three.
Nobody was keeping' score --
in Heaven time is free.

"I've always heard," Jake said to Pete,
"that God will answer prayer,
But one time I asked for help,
well, he just plain wasn't there."

"Does God answer prayers of some,
and ignore the prayers of others?
That don't seem exactly square --
I know all men are brothers."

"Or does he randomly reply,
without good rhyme or reason?
Maybe, it's the time of day,
the weather or the season."

"Now I ain't trying to act smart,
it's just the way I feel.
And I was wondering', could you tell me --
what the heck's the deal?!"

Peter listened very patiently
and when Jake was done,
There were smiles of recognition,
and he said, "So, you're the one!!"

"That day your truck, it wouldn't start,
and you sent your prayer a flying,
You gave us all a real bad time,
with hundreds of us trying."

"A thousand angels rushed,
to check the status of your file,
But you know, Jake, we hadn't heard
from you in quite a long while."

"And though all prayers are answered,
and God ain't got no quota,
He didn't recognize your voice,
and started a truck in Minnesota."

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***I’ll explain something to you. Mr. Fotheringham was a charlatan****

It seems that everyone who does not agree with your personal fringe interpretation is automatically a charlatan, from the Eastern Greek church, who should know what the bible really says, to the Western Latin church, and all protestants for the last 600 years. I will stick with the scriptures as translated by REAL Greek scholars.

But now, there is this. According to the US Dept of Naval Observatory, Nisan 14 began about 10 PM Thursday, which would be Friday night by Jewish counting, Friday the day to follow. 30 AD.

The book PAGAN FESTIVALS IN CHRISTIAN WORSHIP by E.E. FRANKE (Church of God 7th Day),
then tries to claim the crucifiction was then in AD 31.

They really play up this Navy Observatory account in order to prove their hobby horse.

Fotheringham’s chronology and that of the US NAVAL Observatory agree as to when the 14 Nisan was for 30 AD. It was FRIDAY.

[wafflehouse]

well, here are a couple of references:

Romans 8

14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”
16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.

what does this mean exactly? to be an heir we must inherit something.

Ephesians 3:6 This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

fellow heirs? (with who?), Not "the body" but "members of the same body" (with who else?)

Galatians 3:29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

We are grafted in and we are in Covenant with God.

[wafflehouse]

All I want to see is any REQUIREMENT to do so.

under the New Covenant, God's Law is written on our hearts. This is his Torah, his teachings and instructions. Acts 15 says:

19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, 20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. 21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”

the "Old Testament" was ALL THEY HAD. the "New Testament" had not yet been written. This is a group of Jewish folks who have very specific requirements they follow as put forth in the Torah. It isnt reasonable to plunk down the bible and tell someone "When you follow all this, you can be a part of our group". These things that are listed in verse 20 are still today what a person must do to begin the process to convert to Judaism. These are the Noachide Laws. These few things can be learned right away with the assumption there would be more learned as Moses is read every sabbath.

-what makes a person Jewish?
-does following the Torah make a person Jewish? (no)
-is being 'Jewish' different from being a part of Israel? (yes, it must be according to scripture)

Was Jesus the Jewish Messiah?
OR, did he come to start a new and different religion?

and if you are going with "New Religion", what was wrong with the OLD religion?
and why do you still have it as 3/4 of your bible?

[Diego1618]

But now, there is this. According to the US Dept of Naval Observatory, Nisan 14 began about 10 PM Thursday, which would be Friday night by Jewish counting, Friday the day to follow. 30 AD

Got a link?

The book PAGAN FESTIVALS IN CHRISTIAN WORSHIP by E.E. FRANKE (Church of God 7th Day), then tries to claim the crucifiction was then in AD 31.

I would recommend you not pay too much attention to what these folks do..........and say.

By the way........Hebrew (Jewish) counting of the days is, i.e. Thursday night/Friday (THE SIXTH DAY). That's why when you see the 14th of Nisan listed as Wednesday on a modern calendar you automatically know that the actual beginning of the 14th was on Tuesday evening at sunset. 6 hours of the 14th is on Tuesday and the remainder (18 hours is on Wednesday.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Got a link? ***

A link? I’m old style and just pull one of my books off the shelf. You know what a PRINT COPY is don’t you?

***I would recommend you not pay too much attention to what these folks do..........and say. ****

I have not found a bit of difference between what they believe and what you believe. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ect.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I repeat myself again.

Fotheringham’s chronology and that of the US NAVAL Observatory agree as to when the 14 Nisan was for 30 AD. It was FRIDAY.

[Elsie]

You seem to equate an heir with being in some kind of a contract.

It’s not.

A contract has at least two agents represented.

You can be an heir to some part of an estate without ANY input by yourself.

[Elsie]

...under the New Covenant,...

Where is it?

Acts 15 sure says NOTHING about a 'covenant'.

[Diego1618]

I have not found a bit of difference between what they believe and what you believe. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ect.

Well........that's kind of silly...to think that. Didn't you get the word? They believe (incorrectly) that the crucifixion/resurrection was in 31 A.D. and I thought that was the gist of your post!

Not too much similarity with what I believe....and I'll bet you a dime to a doughnut that they celebrate Pentecost yearly on a Sunday....like the Catholics say.....instead of Sivan 6 as the scriptures say.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***They believe (incorrectly) that the crucifixion/resurrection was in 31 A.D.****

Well, they decided on what day Jesus rose, then got the Naval Observatory info, then found a date on that chart that coincided with THEIR beliefs, and BINGO! That was the day in their doctrine Jesus rose.

Meanwhile I will still stick with REAL scholars on the subject. No harebrained off the wall schemes for me. AD 30 or AD 33 are the ones that fit the BIBLE.

[Diego1618]

Fotheringham’s chronology and that of the US NAVAL Observatory agree as to when the 14 Nisan was for 30 AD. It was FRIDAY.

No it wasn't! Both the Equinox and the new moon occurred on March 23:

Equinox 30 A.D.

Nisan 1 30 A.D.

As you can see........the Equinox and the New Moon coincided, and began the year. Now.....count 14 days from Thursday, Nisan 1, 30 A.D. and see where that brings you to.

Passover, Wednesday, Nisan 14, 30 A.D.

Now........instead copying some old dusty book, written by a charlatan, puttering around in his library back in the 1920's.......send me a link that shows my error. He was a Catholic (Eastern)! What would you expect him to say?

The conjunction occurred on March 22 and the visible crescent the next day.....and the full moon on April 6 which just happened to be Nisan 15, 30 A.D. and the First Sabbath of Unleavened Bread [Leviticus 23:6]. Passover was the day before...the 14th [Leviticus 23:5].

New Moon conjunctions for 30 A.D.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***No it wasn’t! Both the Equinox and the new moon occurred on March 23: ***

I’ll stick with the tried and true method and real Greek theologians.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Now........instead copying some old dusty book, written by a charlatan, puttering around in his library back in the 1920’s***

Fotheringham’s chronology and that of the US NAVAL Observatory (W.S. Eichelberger, U.S.N. Director, Nautical Almanac) agree as to when the 14 Nisan was for 30 AD. It was FRIDAY.

[Diego1618]

I’ll stick with the tried and true method and real Greek theologians.

You mean......like Hillary has done with Benghazi?

LOL

[Diego1618]

Fotheringham’s chronology and that of the US NAVAL Observatory (W.S. Eichelberger, U.S.N. Director, Nautical Almanac) agree as to when the 14 Nisan was for 30 AD. It was FRIDAY.

Well..........you better write "timeanddate.com" and tell them to change their computer program so it fits the calculations of some old, crusty and forgotten Greek Orthodox Charlatan (circa 1920)..... who puttered around in his dusty old library conjuring up some song and dance about the date of Passover, which he probably had no idea as to how to arrive at such a date to begin with.

I had forgotten how gullible some folks could be on this subject when defending the "Faith"! LOL

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Yawn.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “ The days of the week are simply known as first day, second day, third day, etc.” <<

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No one has disputed that, to my knowledge, or are you just strawmanning?

[editor-surveyor]

‘Twas not 30 AD.

That date was strictly from the inept 3rd hand Greek translation by extrapolation of many errors.