“Obama’s Chechens have come home to roost”
Posted on 04/28/2013 8:56:28 AM PDT by markomalley
When anti-Catholic ecumenical atrocities take place, Catholic bishops should act.
Here is an example which calls for consequences.
From WTAX in Kentucky:
Kentucky woman ordained as priest in defiance of Roman Catholic Church [Note either the carelessness or the bias? She was not ordained as anything.]
By Mary Wisniewski
LOUISVILLE, Kentucky (Reuters) – In an emotional ceremony filled with tears and applause, a 70-year-old Kentucky woman was ordained a priest [No. She went through a fake ceremony.] on Saturday as part of a dissident group operating outside of official Roman Catholic Church authority. [Liberals often use the word
When anti-Catholic ecumenical atrocities take place, Catholic bishops should act.
Here is an example which calls for consequences.
From WTAX in Kentucky:
Kentucky woman ordained as priest in defiance of Roman Catholic Church [Note either the carelessness or the bias? She was not ordained as anything.]
By Mary Wisniewski
LOUISVILLE, Kentucky (Reuters) – In an emotional ceremony filled with tears and applause, a 70-year-old Kentucky woman was ordained a priest [No. She went through a fake ceremony.] on Saturday as part of a dissident group operating outside of official Roman Catholic Church authority. [Liberals often use the word "official" as code. Watch for code.]
Rosemarie Smead is one of about 150 women around the world who have decided not to wait for the Roman Catholic Church to lift its ban on women priests, but to be ordained and start their own congregations.
In an interview before the ceremony, Smead said she is not worried about being excommunicated from the Church – the fate of other women ordained outside of Vatican law.
“It has no sting for me,” said Smead, a petite, gray-haired former Carmelite nun with a ready hug for strangers. [What slop.] “It is a Medieval bullying stick the bishops used to keep control over people and to keep the voices of women silent. I am way beyond letting octogenarian men tell us how to live our lives.” [Wayyyy beyond.]
The ordination of women as priests, along with the issues of married priests and birth control, represents one of the big divides between U.S. Catholics and the Vatican hierarchy. [And it is the writer's objective to widen the divide. Note also how the "issues" are not easily related.] Seventy percent of U.S. Catholics believe that women should be allowed to be priests, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll earlier this year.
The former pope, Benedict XVI, reaffirmed the Catholic Church’s ban on women priests ["ban on women priests" requires the premise that there is such a thing as a woman priest. There isn't.] and warned that he would not tolerate disobedience by clerics on fundamental teachings. Male priests have been stripped of their holy orders [No. That's impossible. Holy Orders confer an indelible mark on the soul that can't be "stripped". They have been "stripped" of permission to function as a priest.] for participating in ordination ceremonies for women.
In a statement last week, Louisville Archbishop Joseph E. Kurtz called the planned ceremony by the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests a “simulated ordination” in opposition to Catholic teaching.
“The simulation of a sacrament carries very serious penal sanctions in Church law, and Catholics should not support or participate in Saturday’s event,” Kurtz said.
The Catholic Church teaches that it has no authority to allow women to be priests because Jesus Christ chose only men as his apostles. Proponents of a female priesthood said Jesus was acting only according to the customs of his time.
They also note that he chose women, like Mary Magdalene, as disciples, and that the early Church had women priests, deacons and bishops. [Which is not true.]
[HERE, folks, is a big problem....] The ceremony, held at St. Andrew United Church of Christ in Louisville, was attended by about 200 men and women. Many identified themselves to a Reuters reporter as Catholics, but some declined to give their names or their churches.
[...]
The rest of the piece is rubbish.
Here’s the bottom line. Antics like this should have consequences for ecumenical dialogue.
The women’s ordination thing is silliness. It is a circus.
A Protestant church hosted the circus. They gave the Catholic Church the finger.
There should be consequences.
We either take ecumenism seriously or we don’t. If we do – and I believe we must – we have to react strongly when ecumenical ideals are so grossly violated by Protestants who invite or permit these “women priest” ceremonies in their churches.
The most sacred rites of the Catholic Church are Holy Mass and ordination to Holy Orders.
They effectively trampled rites that we Catholics hold as sacred.
These silly Catholic women-priest supporters are committing sacrilege in simulating Mass and Orders.
However, the Protestants who host them are assisting in a mockery of our Holy Mass and a mockery of our priesthood.
For a long time progressivist Catholics were staging Jewish sedar meals in their churches. Some Jews were angered by this. We got the message from the Jews and stopped doing what was offensive to them.
By allowing this group of fakers into their churches, those Protestants accepted the premise that what those women play at is actually a Catholic ordination and a Mass.
How dare PROTESTANTS decide what a Catholic Mass is?
And if they respond, “Gee, we mean no disrespect. We are just giving space to this group”, then what they are doing is aiding a protest against the Catholic Church.
There is no way around this.
Protestants who give these fakers aid are either on their side, and thus support their claim that what they are doing really is an ordination and Mass, or in claiming not to be taking sides they are still giving support to an anti-Catholic protest.
Bishops have to take action when offensive, anti-Catholic things like this take place.
Upon hearing the news that this ceremony is going to take place (or has taken place), the local Catholic bishop must call the pastor of that Protestant parish and say, “I’m the Catholic Bishop. Do not allow this sacrilege to be committed in your church. You wouldn’t do this for a group of dissident Jews wanting to ordain rabbis, but we are Catholics so you don’t care what offense you give us. Until an apology is issued, don’t look for us to dialogue with you again.”
Then that Catholic bishop should call the head of the denomination and convey the same message.
Then that Catholic Bishop should an informative note to the USCCB’s ecumenical office, to the CDF and to the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity to let them know the facts of the sacrileges that took place and who helped them.
Then that Catholic bishop should call the press and give them his view about the offense the Protestants gave and the damage they inflicted on ecumenical dialogue.
True ecumenism does not consist in lying down and letting some other church kick you and define what Mass is for you, or say who can be ordained, or stick their “F-You” finger in your face by hosting these sacrilegious fakers."official" as code. Watch for code.]
Rosemarie Smead is one of about 150 women around the world who have decided not to wait for the Roman Catholic Church to lift its ban on women priests, but to be ordained and start their own congregations.
In an interview before the ceremony, Smead said she is not worried about being excommunicated from the Church – the fate of other women ordained outside of Vatican law.
“It has no sting for me,” said Smead, a petite, gray-haired former Carmelite nun with a ready hug for strangers. [What slop.] “It is a Medieval bullying stick the bishops used to keep control over people and to keep the voices of women silent. I am way beyond letting octogenarian men tell us how to live our lives.” [Wayyyy beyond.]
The ordination of women as priests, along with the issues of married priests and birth control, represents one of the big divides between U.S. Catholics and the Vatican hierarchy. [And it is the writer's objective to widen the divide. Note also how the "issues" are not easily related.] Seventy percent of U.S. Catholics believe that women should be allowed to be priests, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll earlier this year.
The former pope, Benedict XVI, reaffirmed the Catholic Church’s ban on women priests ["ban on women priests" requires the premise that there is such a thing as a woman priest. There isn't.] and warned that he would not tolerate disobedience by clerics on fundamental teachings. Male priests have been stripped of their holy orders [No. That's impossible. Holy Orders confer an indelible mark on the soul that can't be "stripped". They have been "stripped" of permission to function as a priest.] for participating in ordination ceremonies for women.
In a statement last week, Louisville Archbishop Joseph E. Kurtz called the planned ceremony by the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests a “simulated ordination” in opposition to Catholic teaching.
“The simulation of a sacrament carries very serious penal sanctions in Church law, and Catholics should not support or participate in Saturday’s event,” Kurtz said.
The Catholic Church teaches that it has no authority to allow women to be priests because Jesus Christ chose only men as his apostles. Proponents of a female priesthood said Jesus was acting only according to the customs of his time.
They also note that he chose women, like Mary Magdalene, as disciples, and that the early Church had women priests, deacons and bishops. [Which is not true.]
[HERE, folks, is a big problem....] The ceremony, held at St. Andrew United Church of Christ in Louisville, was attended by about 200 men and women. Many identified themselves to a Reuters reporter as Catholics, but some declined to give their names or their churches.
[...]
The rest of the piece is rubbish.
Here’s the bottom line. Antics like this should have consequences for ecumenical dialogue.
The women’s ordination thing is silliness. It is a circus.
A Protestant church hosted the circus. They gave the Catholic Church the finger.
There should be consequences.
We either take ecumenism seriously or we don’t. If we do – and I believe we must – we have to react strongly when ecumenical ideals are so grossly violated by Protestants who invite or permit these “women priest” ceremonies in their churches.
The most sacred rites of the Catholic Church are Holy Mass and ordination to Holy Orders.
They effectively trampled rites that we Catholics hold as sacred.
These silly Catholic women-priest supporters are committing sacrilege in simulating Mass and Orders.
However, the Protestants who host them are assisting in a mockery of our Holy Mass and a mockery of our priesthood.
For a long time progressivist Catholics were staging Jewish sedar meals in their churches. Some Jews were angered by this. We got the message from the Jews and stopped doing what was offensive to them.
By allowing this group of fakers into their churches, those Protestants accepted the premise that what those women play at is actually a Catholic ordination and a Mass.
How dare PROTESTANTS decide what a Catholic Mass is?
And if they respond, “Gee, we mean no disrespect. We are just giving space to this group”, then what they are doing is aiding a protest against the Catholic Church.
There is no way around this.
Protestants who give these fakers aid are either on their side, and thus support their claim that what they are doing really is an ordination and Mass, or in claiming not to be taking sides they are still giving support to an anti-Catholic protest.
Bishops have to take action when offensive, anti-Catholic things like this take place.
Upon hearing the news that this ceremony is going to take place (or has taken place), the local Catholic bishop must call the pastor of that Protestant parish and say, “I’m the Catholic Bishop. Do not allow this sacrilege to be committed in your church. You wouldn’t do this for a group of dissident Jews wanting to ordain rabbis, but we are Catholics so you don’t care what offense you give us. Until an apology is issued, don’t look for us to dialogue with you again.”
Then that Catholic bishop should call the head of the denomination and convey the same message.
Then that Catholic Bishop should an informative note to the USCCB’s ecumenical office, to the CDF and to the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity to let them know the facts of the sacrileges that took place and who helped them.
Then that Catholic bishop should call the press and give them his view about the offense the Protestants gave and the damage they inflicted on ecumenical dialogue.
True ecumenism does not consist in lying down and letting some other church kick you and define what Mass is for you, or say who can be ordained, or stick their “F-You” finger in your face by hosting these sacrilegious fakers.
As far as UCC goes, I don't tell them how to run their organization. Back the hell off of ours.
I love Fr Z
But didnt Jesus Himself,Ask a woman to preach the gospel “IE HE is Risen” to the disciples?
I was born a Protestant, lived as a Protestant and will die as a Protestant and I have never worried one moment that the Roman church wants an all male priesthood. I personally, and from what I understand scriptually, support an all male priesthood whether Catholic or Protestant.
They may be “protestant” in the sense that they are protesting the Roman Catholic Church, but they aren’t Protestants in the historic reformational sense of that word. Reformed Protestants have no more in common with the UCC and this group of faux-Catholics than we do with the Pope. I suspect we couldn’t agree on the day of the week.
UCC is not even remotely Christian, being further to the left than even ECUSA. BTW, Marty Haugen is UCC, so why is he in any Catholic Hymnal?
I presume *you* teach. (Writing stuff in FR is an aspect of that.) Does that make you a Catholic deacon, priest, or bishop?
I’m in complete agreement that Roman Catholics are entitled to define themselves on their own terms, so why the lashing out at “Protestants” when dealing with your own behaving disobediently?
It’s disingenuous and misleading. Why? Is there some fear that the secular world might figure out that there is actual disagreement in the ranks, as if a bunch of sedes fanning out onto internet forums to bellow about Vatican II isn’t already doing that?
Stop slinging mud at potential allies, is my suggestion.
Don't get me started.But the Catholics are confused about hymnody - what it is, what it's for, when to do it, how to do it, etc.
I think that the "spirit of Vatican II" created a space for Catholic dissidents to act out, and one of their favorite places to do it is with their heretical "hymns", like "Sing a New Church Into Being".
Catholic hymn-haters are reacting to this Delores Dufner/Marty Haugen/Dan Schutte garbage. Most of the Catholics in our parish take Isaac Watts as one of their own. Our hymnal, among the trio above, Negro spirituals, and Spanish jibber-jabber, has about twenty singable hymns.
I mean, how perverse is it to steal the melody of "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing" and turn it into a protest song??
My view is this: Maybe Mass should have hymns, maybe it shouldn't. Since the congregation doesn't sing anyway, it seems kinda pointless.
But if they DO have hymns, they should have real ones. 500 years of English hymnody has created quite a list to choose from.
“Obama’s Chechens have come home to roost”
Sorry. This looks like another Papist issue that FRoman Catholics try to blame on true Protestants. Need to quit blaming us and get your own house in order.
How many women did Christ ordain to the Priesthood?
Incorrect. It's an accurate definition, your thin skin notwithstanding.
1 prot·es·tant noun \ˈprä-təs-tənt, 2 is also prə-ˈtes-\
1 capitalized
a: any of a group of German princes and cities presenting a defense of freedom of conscience against an edict of the Diet of Spires in 1529 intended to suppress the Lutheran movement
b: a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth; broadly: a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church
2: one who makes or enters a protest
Shouldn’t you be watching Seinfeld reruns?
I remember nothing in my Bible that says He made disciples priests either,can you show me chapter and verse?
Seems like he was pretty specific, ‘a protestant church’,’those protestants’, that Protestant parish, ‘the head of the denomination,’ the Protestants who host them’, Protestants who give these fakers aid .’
Can’t see why anyone would get upset if none of those apply, and I can’t see it applying to any Protestant Freepers. Oh wait, gotcha, a Catholic, no matter how conservative, said something about a bunch of liberal Protestant wackaddoos. What a monster.
Freegards
... and this Roman Catholic woman acting in defiance of her own church falls under which of those three definitions? None of them.
The use of “thin skinned” as a negative description of those with which one agrees is disingenuous and misleading, too.
This woman and those who enabled her are not in any way Protestant. They are professing Roman Catholics who are disobeying the leadership of their church.
If you’d like to disassociate yourselves from them for this disobedience, I suggest doing so, rather than attempting to make them appear to be something they’re not.
They are protestants only in the broadest sense of that term. Indeed they are protesting your pope and defying the historic teaching of the Roman Catholics, but neither the UCC nor these nominal Catholics accept “Reformation principles of justification by faith alone,” which was the fulcrum on which the Reformation turned. I suspect they wouldn’t have the slightest undertanding of the historic Protestant understanding of justification. And it is that doctrine, more than any other, which unites Protestants.
Excellent post.
Does anyone else see the irony in attacking a Protestant group (left wing though it is) for attempting to define Catholicism by attempting to define Protestantism in return?
Conservative Catholics and conservative Protestants stand shoulder to shoulder socially and morally. Articles like this serve no useful purpose than to divide the Body of Christ.
The UCC no more defines Protestantism than this splinter group defines the Roman Church.
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