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To: Elsie
"Because PROTESTANTS actually KNOW what the bible says?"

But judging from their actions they rarely know what it means. Perhaps because to them it means whatever they imagine it to mean. Within non-Catholic Christianity there are no wrong answers and too often no Christ. In a world filled with error and corruption our posts should bring light, not focus on the darkness.

"Have nothing to do with stupid and senseless controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kindly to everyone, an apt teacher, patient, correcting opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and that they may escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will." - 2 Timothy 2:23-36

282 posted on 04/27/2013 9:49:10 AM PDT by Natural Law (Peace to all of you who are in Christ - 1 Peter 5:14)
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To: Natural Law; Elsie; daniel1212
Jesus wasn't all nicey-nice all the time. If some itinerant non-denominational preacher walked into a Catholic church bazaar with a whip and drove people out and vandalized the place, what would the Catholic church do?

John 2:13-16 The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting there. 15 And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. 16 And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; do not make my Father's house a house of trade.”

Or God forbid, someone should criticize Bingo.....

Then there are these words of Jesus to the religious leaders of the day...

Matthew 23:1-36 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,

2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5 They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6 and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues 7 and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others. 8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. 11 The greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in. 15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.

16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ 17 You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred? 18 And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ 19 You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by him who dwells in it. 22 And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!

25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30 saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?

34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

There were many times Jesus criticized the religious leaders of the day and angered them. He spoke against all the religious traditions they had set up and gave them the truth out of and of Scripture.

Same thing is happening today with the Catholic church and any other religious institution and the reaction is the same. The Pharisees hated Him and finally succeeding in having Jesus crucified.

Those who speak the truth out of the word of God today are treated much the same. They are met with anger and derision, and scorn.

Nothing has changed in 2,000 years. Those who love religion will always hate the truth of God and His word.

Now, is anyone going to charge Jesus with not being loving because He spoke harshly or physically cleansed the Temple? Doesn't that show scars from unforgiveness on His part? Anger and hatred in His heart? Shouldn't He have chose love instead of anger and hatred?

Ooops, Jesus DID get angry.

Mark 3:5 And he looked around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart, and said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was restored.

What now?

286 posted on 04/27/2013 10:23:13 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law
But judging from their actions they rarely know what it means.

And yet the silence remains about your bad popes...

324 posted on 04/27/2013 5:40:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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