Posted on 04/23/2013 9:37:23 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
In a segment titled “God and Hitler,” Gordon Robertson (son of Rev. Pat Robertson), hosted a discussion on the Catholic Church’s response to Hitler. Several errors of fact were made.
1) It is wrong to paint Hitler as a Catholic. Though he was baptized, he excommunicated himself, latae sententiae, when he sought, in his words, to “crush [the Catholic Church] like a toad.” He made good on his pledge by persecuting 8,000 priests, over 500 of whom were killed in concentration camps. He also sought to assassinate the pope.
2) The 1933 Nazi-Vatican Concordat was not a show of solidarity. As Rabbi David Dalin has shown, it was a protective measure designed to protect German Catholics from persecution. In fact, at least 34 letters of protest were sent from the Vatican to the Nazis between 1933 and 1937, culminating in a 1937 encyclical that condemned Nazi violations of the Concordat and its racial ideology. It was smuggled out of Italy and distributed on Palm Sunday to Catholics in Germany. Nothing like this happened in Protestant churches in Germany.
3) It is not true that Hitler met resistance from Protestants alone. There are 800,000 trees planted in Israel that represent the 800,000 Jews saved by the Catholic Church. None have been planted as a tribute to Protestants. During the war, the New York Times twice said the Church was “a lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent”; Albert Einstein also singled out the Church during the war. After the war, Golda Meir praised the work of the Church, as did the ADL, the World Jewish Congress, and scores of other Jewish organizations.
4) It is factually wrong to say the Vatican archives have “never been seen.” Many scholars have had access. As for Pope Pius XII being “Hitler’s Pope,” it should be noted that John Cornwell, the ex-seminarian who originated this term, retracted it years ago. So why does “The 700 Club” continue to cite it?
I agree!
So NOW is the chance to show EXACTLY what ROME thinks these very words of JESUS mean as well as the verification of them by John:
John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
1 John 3:21-24
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
" who, being themselves but fallible and uninspiredmenCON-ARTISTS, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;"--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
Just wow.....
Because we are all created in the image of God, God exists in all of us.
That's some kind of -ism heresy.....Like pantheism. It's errant teaching that we are all God's children. Anyone who knows Scripture understands that.
God does not exist in all of us. He lives in those who have accepted Him as their Savior, who have received Jesus as John 1:12 states.
We are called to love each other and to forgive every trespass and transgression as a demonstration of our love for the God within.
Preach it to your Catholic cohorts.
Now tell me what "believe" means. I wonder if we agree on that too.
Peace be with you
2 Corinthians 10:9-12 9 I do not want to appear to be frightening you with my letters. 10 For they say, “His letters are weighty and strong, but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech of no account.” 11 Let such a person understand that what we say by letter when absent, we do when present. 12 Not that we dare to classify or compare ourselves with some of those who are commending themselves. But when they measure themselves by one another and compare themselves with one another, they are without understanding.
When people start comparing people to others, they become their judges and become respecters of persons, something James told us was sin.
From our vantage point, some people appear outwardly better than others, but from God's perspective of the heart, there's Jesus, who is good, and there's everyone else and we're ALL bad.
It's irrelevant whether pnsn lived the kind of live that St. Francis did because pnsn is clothed in the righteousness of Christ, which God sees imputed onto him because of his faith in Christ.
God's standards ARE perfection, but since we've all already sinned and fall short of that, we are all condemned. Nobody is getting to heaven on their ability to live what others think is a seemingly holy life.
When we do that in faithfulness to God, we bring HIM the honor and glory, not ourselves.
The idea that some people are more important than others is liberalism at its finest. It's a lie from the enemy.
Philippians 3:3-9 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh— 4 though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; 6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless.
7 But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith
The Catholic church is wrong for claiming it for itself.
Jesus DOES give believers in Him authority.
To begin with, He gives them the right/authority to become children of God by receiving Him. John 1:12
We are ALL charged with bringing the gospel to the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:12-21 12 We are not commending ourselves to you again but giving you cause to boast about us, so that you may be able to answer those who boast about outward appearance and not about what is in the heart. 13 For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. 14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
16 From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Certainly a far cry from the popes who have followed him.
"This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you LIFE and death, blessings and curses. Now choose LIFE, so that you and your children may live." Deut 30
They called Jesus names, also. So what 'man made believers' do and say they are doing it unto Jesus as that was evil's intent from the beginning - attacked God's Word with his own words of 'did God really say?' and sin/evil entered in.
And then The Word became flesh to rescue all and while many stayed being the children of the dark the others ran to Jesus to escape the darkness and to those He made a 'new creation'. And now the children of the dark try to intimidate and use satan's tactics but those who are a 'new creation' know the wiles and snares of satan and aren't moved by what is under their feet!
Such as? If there are so many examples, perhaps you could give us one or two.
People led by the Holy Spirit are taught by Him.
And how do we know any one *teacher* is correct? What if HE'S wrong?
Working on the assumption that any teacher of Scripture is any more likely to be right than the student is a recipe for deception and disaster. Paul warned us plenty about false teachers.
Obviously some of those popes didn’t quite understand the admonitions against immorality and covetousness.
I'm sorry, I had forgotten that you deny the Trinity and you do not believe that God dwells and abides in all. Do you also deny that when God created man He did so from the slime of the earth and breathed his likeness and image into us? Breath, if you recall, is the root of name of the Third Person of the Trinity.
Peace be to you
Other Catholics certainly disagree with that because we are being told constantly that Peter presided over the Council at Jerusalem, all in an attempt to bolster the claims of his supremacy among the apostles and his pope-ship.
Even though there is not a shred of evidence to support it.
Are you serious? Let's start with the Real Presence in the Eucharist, St. Peter's primacy and papacy, and a visible Church.
Show me the post number where I've denied the Trinity.
Show us in Scripture where it says that God dwells and abides in all of us. Do you also deny that when God created man He did so from the slime of the earth and breathed his likeness and image into us?
I remember the crevo threads and as I recall, you were a participant on many of them so that's already been answered.
Just how many interpretations are there on the real presence? It either is or isn't.
How many on the papacy? Either Peter was the first pope or he wasn't.
How many interpretations of a subject can there be when there's only two possibilities?
Methinks the claims of a "great number of diverse interpretations" is more than slightly overblown.
FWIW, there is a visible church. Those who have accepted Christ by faith ARE His church, His called out ones, and still exist here on earth. The thing that Catholics can't seem to wrap their minds around is that the visible church is PEOPLE, not brick and mortar headquartered in Rome or any other city. It's an organism, not an organization.
The visible church as an organism, is living, breathing, walking throughout this world, shedding their light where ever they are.
The structure on the corner is NOT what God was building.
The results from the HOLY SPIRIT teaching me - as The Word says HE Is The Teacher - are guaranteed victorious and AWESOME! As now I am a friend of God..."You are My friends if you do what I command." John 15:14
"I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from My Father I have made known to you." John 15:15
Do you live as holy a life as St. Francis, who was an ardent Catholic?
More of the 'follow man' and COMPARING tactic/teaching?....
I choose not to follow 'man' because "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by FAITH in the Son of God, Who loved me and gave himself for me."
Show me the post number where I denied Creation.
Peace be with you
AMEN!!
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