Posted on 04/09/2013 4:52:45 PM PDT by Colofornian
So...High-level Lds leaders are already indicating they among the Mormon DISbelievers!
And, that such "disbelief" is rampant among them!
Also, they have disclosed that if an Lds apostle isn't already a millionaire, the Lds church ensures they become one!
Along with these "revelations," the "inside term" High-level Lds leaders use for both the selection process and early "grooming" of Lds newbie "apostles" is "church broke"...IOW, "will they do whatever they are told" by the six senior "apostles?" Are they "sold out" to the church structure?
And many of these high-level Lds leaders realize the Mormon church is on the precipice of going over the cliff...or, to use their own metaphor: The weakened Lds dam is about to break wide open!
From the report: The GA said the church is like a weakened dam. At first you dont see cracks on the face; nevertheless, things are happening behind the scenes. Eventually, small cracks appear, and then the dam will explode. When it does, he said, the members are going to be shocked and will need scholars/historians like me to educate them regarding the Mormon past. The Mission President and the GA both said they attend church every Sunday and feel like a hypocrite and trapped.
The Internet age has brought about a "dam" about to break upon Mormonism. The flood of truth cannot be contained by its general authorities; in fact, even they realize it -- but are now patronizing its grass roots in believing they cannot handle the full truth.
The modern dissenters better be praying that there are no
Danites or Porter Rockwells to do the work of the leaders.
I say, rather than that apostates should flourish here, I will unsheath [sic] my bowie knife, and conquer or die [Great commotion in the congregation, and a simultaneous burst of feeling, assenting to the declaration.]. Now, you nasty apostates, clear out, or judgment will be put to the line, and righteousness to the plummet [Voices, generally, go it, go it.]. If you say it is right, raise your hands [All hands up.]. Let us call upon the Lord to assist us in this, and every good work.
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 1, p. 83
...it was the imperative duty of the Church to obey the word of Joseph Smith, or the presidency, without question or inquiry, and that if there were any that would not, they should have their throats cut from ear [to] ear.
- Sidney Rigdon letter to Apostle Orson Hyde, October 21, 1844, in Nauvoo Neighbor, December 4, 1844
Punishment by death is the penalty for refusing to obey the orders of the Priesthood. I knew of many men being killed in Nauvoo by the Danites. It was then the rule that all enemies of the Prophet Joseph should be killed, and I knew of many a man who was quietly put out of the way by the orders of Joseph and his apostles while the church was there.
- Elder John D. Lee (1812 1877), Danite and adopted son of Brigham Young, John D. Lee Diaries
Within a few weeks I went with him to their church, laid out the evidence to the church leadership (which they could not refute) and that young man walked out of the Mormon church that day, and joined a bible teaching church that I was a member of, met and married a young christian girl, and has continued as one of the most outspoken critics of the Mormon cult.
(If only all such Christians would befriend Mormons & "risk" telling them the truth...in detail...our Christian churches would be lined with ex-Mormons...Now obviously MANY ex-Mormons DO wind up in Christian churches...still, far too many ex-Mormons wind up in the dustbin of atheism)
Here's a 2012 podcast interview you can listen to between Dehlin and Grant Palmer: Grant Palmer on Sexual Allegations Against Joseph Smith, William and Jane Law, and His Resignation
With all due respect I must say that I greatly appreciate your hard work here on the forums, however many of us do not become Atheists, rather Deists with an eye single to the glory of a certain higher being. It is the controlling aspects of all organized religion that many of us are against.
Just my certain humble opinion.
I've suspected that the cult used some kind of legal means to keep people quiet. Perhaps giving them loans that can be called due of they step out of line. Can you tell us more about this point? May dad was a church employee for 20 years before he left. I myself did a bit of consulting for them 15 years ago. This is what I have learned myself: Intellectual reserve, the legal proprietary arm of the church, makes you sign a contract. You cannot disclose what you did for them, how much you were paid or that you were hired as a contractor (I was). You cannot keep copies of the work, talk or publish it, it is owned it its entirety by the church. General authorities (I don't know of this applies to 2nd quorum of the 70's) sign over their property over to a trust, if you violate your contract they keep your property. What I have researched and heard from other ex- leaders: Since the time of BY, the church "lends" money to GA's for personal projects. This money is interest free and does not have to be repaid (this is for legal, tax and doctrinal reasons) if you tow the line. If you step out of line it becomes due and it is a lien on your property. Any income from sitting on boards, as director, consultant, etc- which is what the 12 spend most of their time doing, you keep, if you leave, since you are a representative of the church on those boards, you lose and may have to pay back. of course you loose your "living expenses" (60-120K), your access to church property for personal use (Hawaii, Florida, Europe, etc) This is how a "humble" life long seminary teacher (BKP) or meager church employee (GBH) can end up as millionaires as pass on significant wealth to family members. If you step out of line, its all gone and you are in serious legal trouble.
Thanks for the counterbalance offered up, 'Binger. (I appreciate it)
And you're right...Some Lds become Christians in Christian churches; others don't ignore God's existence -- they simply have become suspicious about churches in general...given that the Lds church itself has given them such a reasonable reason for such suspicions!
The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
3 They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
4 Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.
In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.
5 It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
like a champion rejoicing to run his course.
6 It rises at one end of the heavens
and makes its circuit to the other;
nothing is deprived of its warmth.
I just shared the Psalm with my friend. She has forwarded that with the image to all of her friends.
Mormon girls in Southern Utah are all in mourning today as one of their young men took his own life on Sunday morning. A sad state of affairs with young Mormon men here in Kane County where there have been about ten suicides in the last five years. Mormon men age 25-35.
I hope this Psalm has comfort.
wow
>> ...it was the imperative duty of the Church to obey the word of Joseph Smith, or the presidency, without question or inquiry, and that if there were any that would not, they should have their throats cut from ear [to] ear. <<
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Is there any question that Smith and Young are burning in Hell?
You could at least have capitalized the ‘W’ :o)
>> “ It is the controlling aspects of all organized religion that many of us are against.” <<
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So is Yeshua!
He called them “Nicolaitanos” and said that he hated them.
Yeshua’s church is wherever two or more are gathered in his name. You can be one of them without the threat of control, by just believing in him.
This is huge and should adversely affect church membership but will it? Doubtful.
The leadership admitting that their founding “prophet” was a fraud. WOW!!
(All caps on the “WOW” with double exclamation points!!)
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