[Colofornian]

From the report: In mid-October 2012, a returned LDS Mission President contacted me to arrange a meeting. Several days later, he called again and said that a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy also wished to attend. He said the General Authority would attend on condition that I not name him or repeat any stories that would identify him. He explained that neither of them, including the GA’s wife, believed the founding claims of the restoration were true. He clarified that they had read my book, An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins, and had concluded that the LDS Church was not true; was not what it claimed to be. The GA often went to the MormonThink.com website for information and there discovered my book. The Mission President said he received my book from the GA. We have at this writing met three times. We first met on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 and again February 14, 2013 at my house. On March 26, 2013 we convened at the GAs house. Upon entering my home for the first meeting the GA said, “We are here to learn.” I recognized him. He has been a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy for a number of years. He has served in several high profile assignments during this period. The following are the more important statements made by the GA during our first three meetings. We now meet monthly. He said that each new member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles is given one million dollars to take care of any financial obligations they have. This money gift allows them to fully focus on the ministry. He said that the overriding consideration of who is chosen is whether they are “church broke,” meaning, will they do whatever they are told. He said the senior six apostles make the agenda and do most of the talking. The junior six are told to observe, listen and learn and really only comment if they are asked. He said that it takes about two to three years before the new apostle discovers that the church is not true. He said it took Dieter F. Uchtdorf a little longer because he was an outsider. He said they privately talk among themselves and know the foundational claims of the restoration are not true, but continue on boldly “because the people need it,” meaning the people need the church. When the Mission President voiced skepticism and named ___ as one who surely did believe, The GA said: “No, he doesn’t.” The one million dollar gift, plus their totally obedient attitude makes it easy for them to go along when they find out the church is not true. For these reasons and others, he doesn’t expect any apostle to ever expose the truth about the foundational claims.

So...High-level Lds leaders are already indicating they among the Mormon DISbelievers!

And, that such "disbelief" is rampant among them!

Also, they have disclosed that if an Lds apostle isn't already a millionaire, the Lds church ensures they become one!

Along with these "revelations," the "inside term" High-level Lds leaders use for both the selection process and early "grooming" of Lds newbie "apostles" is "church broke"...IOW, "will they do whatever they are told" by the six senior "apostles?" Are they "sold out" to the church structure?

And many of these high-level Lds leaders realize the Mormon church is on the precipice of going over the cliff...or, to use their own metaphor: The weakened Lds dam is about to break wide open!

From the report: The GA said the church is like a weakened dam. At first you don’t see cracks on the face; nevertheless, things are happening behind the scenes. Eventually, small cracks appear, and then the dam will “explode.” When it does, he said, the members are going to be “shocked” and will need scholars/historians like me to educate them regarding the Mormon past. The Mission President and the GA both said they attend church every Sunday and feel like “a hypocrite and trapped.”

The Internet age has brought about a "dam" about to break upon Mormonism. The flood of truth cannot be contained by its general authorities; in fact, even they realize it -- but are now patronizing its grass roots in believing they cannot handle the full truth.

[Colofornian]

For an assessment of ex-Mormon author Grant Palmer's claims written on a blog, see Rumor Rumor Every Where, Nor Any Fact To Think? [Blog assesses 'LDS Church...not true' revelations] and either comment there -- or you can click on the link for that blog itself.

[greyfoxx39]

The modern dissenters better be praying that there are no
Danites or Porter Rockwells to do the work of the leaders.

[Ron C.]

From the many books available years ago from Gerald & Sandra Tanner I learned all that I needed to convince a young friend (born into a Mormon family) that Mormonism is a false religion of monumental proportions.

Within a few weeks I went with him to their church, laid out the evidence to the church leadership (which they could not refute) and that young man walked out of the Mormon church that day, and joined a bible teaching church that I was a member of, met and married a young christian girl, and has continued as one of the most outspoken critics of the Mormon cult.

[Colofornian]

Mormon Stories is a Web site run by a Mormon (John Dehlin), among others.

Here's a 2012 podcast interview you can listen to between Dehlin and Grant Palmer: Grant Palmer on Sexual Allegations Against Joseph Smith, William and Jane Law, and His Resignation

[Colofornian]

ALL: Ya need to know who Grant Palmer is...he is a former LDS Church Educational System Institute Director & teacher...Here is an interview where Palmer discusses his journey within Mormonism -- which he left -- and his view of Jesus:
Episode 130: Grant Palmer

[Colofornian]

This ex-Mormon explains how the LDS church as a "franchise" of sorts uses financial-legal entanglements to keep its leaders in line (in case they are ever "tempted" to leave the bee hive):

I've suspected that the cult used some kind of legal means to keep people quiet. Perhaps giving them loans that can be called due of they step out of line. Can you tell us more about this point? May dad was a church employee for 20 years before he left. I myself did a bit of consulting for them 15 years ago. This is what I have learned myself: Intellectual reserve, the legal proprietary arm of the church, makes you sign a contract. You cannot disclose what you did for them, how much you were paid or that you were hired as a contractor (I was). You cannot keep copies of the work, talk or publish it, it is owned it its entirety by the church. General authorities (I don't know of this applies to 2nd quorum of the 70's) sign over their property over to a trust, if you violate your contract they keep your property. What I have researched and heard from other ex- leaders: Since the time of BY, the church "lends" money to GA's for personal projects. This money is interest free and does not have to be repaid (this is for legal, tax and doctrinal reasons) if you tow the line. If you step out of line it becomes due and it is a lien on your property. Any income from sitting on boards, as director, consultant, etc- which is what the 12 spend most of their time doing, you keep, if you leave, since you are a representative of the church on those boards, you lose and may have to pay back. of course you loose your "living expenses" (60-120K), your access to church property for personal use (Hawaii, Florida, Europe, etc) This is how a "humble" life long seminary teacher (BKP) or meager church employee (GBH) can end up as millionaires as pass on significant wealth to family members. If you step out of line, its all gone and you are in serious legal trouble.

Source: Poster 'Jiminy Cricket' @ ExMormon.org: April 9, 2013 Recovery from Mormonism thread entitled: 'Do the GAs believe it? Here's one person's opinion'

[Colofornian]

More Grant Palmer links posted yesterday (April 8), courtesy of Steve Benson @ RFM (Recovery From Mormonism:
RFM is making an impact. First, Grant Palmer is quoted as saying GAs are personally meeting with him to confess their private conclusions that the Mormon Church is false, plus--

[svcw]

wow

[Graybeard58]

This is huge and should adversely affect church membership but will it? Doubtful.

The leadership admitting that their founding “prophet” was a fraud. WOW!!

(All caps on the “WOW” with double exclamation points!!)

[Elsie]

Also, that none of the Twelve want to discuss “truth issues,” meaning issues regarding the foundational claims of the church.

So THIS is why any question sent their direction always get batted back down to the lower levels!

[Elsie]

...that Hugh B. Brown did not believe the Book of Abraham was what the church said it was” ...

Heck; ANYone with two or more functioning brain cells to rub together 'believeth not' as well!

Right; teppe??

[soycd]

Aside from physics, a persons beliefs can only be proven to themselves. Everything else is simply faith.

[Aggiewest]

One thing I can say about all the dissenters. It is you that keeps me busy studying and researching. I probably owe some of my return to the LDS church to you all. I don’t have all the answers to every question such as the creation or the flood, but I believe God created the World. I don’t know how long ago or how. I also can’t answer all my questions about the Book of Mormon or Pearl of Great Price with certainty. I do have explanations that our plausible to me and that is good enough. My true understanding comes from living the gospel of Jesus Christ and feeling the peace Jesus promised in my life. I will never stop searching for answers to my questions, but those questions don’t prevent me from enjoying all that my Father has to offers. The children of Israel didn’t need to understand how the bronze snake saved them from the poison. They only needed to have faith and look at it. It represented our Savior and showed that we must look to him to be saved. We today also must know that we must turn to the Savior to be saved. I don’t need to know how the death and ressurection made it possible for me to cleansed of my sins. I only need to believe in the Savior and his atonement. The strong faith I have comes from following the Saviors example and letting the comforter teach me all things and bring all things to my rememberance.