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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

The same people you are quoting all argue for their inclusion.

I’m not sure what I can possibly add to that when you won’t accept the conclusion of your own sources.

“contradictions with history”

The only ‘contradiction’ is the assertion that the King of Babylon was not the same as the King of Assyria. Which is in fact what did happen. You need to study more history. Babylon took over from Assyria.


254 posted on 04/05/2013 2:43:31 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“The same people you are quoting all argue for their inclusion.”


Inclusion is irrelevant! What we’re concerned with is whether or not they are equal to the scripture and therefore are to be used for the defense and creation of doctrine.

When “Pope” Gregory said the following, referencing Maccabees:

“Concerning which thing we do nothing irregularly, if we adduce a testimony from the books, which although not canonical are published for the edification of the people. For Eleazar wounding an elephant in battle, slew him, but fell under him whom he had destroyed.” — Morals, book 19, on 39th chap, of Job.

Was he picking a fight and contradicting centuries of what the “church” considered to be sacred writ? Or was he simply commenting on something that was the widely held position of the church of those ages? In fact, Gregory here is in direct agreement with Jerome and the others when he speaks of the apocrypha in this way.

You, on the other hand, are giving the apocrypha a greater power and authority than Jerome or Gregory.

Why is that?

And if you consider the Apocrypha to be scripture, why aren’t you roasting fish guts to fend off evil spirits everyday? Why aren’t you giving to charity, since apparently that work washes away sin and saves your soul from hell (and not Christ)?

” Babylon took over from Assyria.”


Babylon burned down Ninveh, which Baruch claims Nebuchadnezzer REIGNS from. Are you going to tell me that Nebuchadnezzer REIGNS from the capital of Assyria?

Sorry, but Baruch doesn’t know that Nebuchadnezzer was the King of Babylon and not of Assyria, and that is why he places him there instead of in Babylon as the Bible does.


258 posted on 04/05/2013 2:52:37 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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