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To: varyouga

That is a nice theory but incomplete. People report leaving their bodies, watching their doctor operate on them when they should be unconscious, and accurately reporting on not only the goings on in the operating room from a view looking down, but also things in other rooms. That can’t be explained by DMT.

Howard Storm’s experience started out in Hell (he was an Athiest) where he was attacked by evil creatures that he says used to be people and in desperation, after fighting the things tooth and nail, he called out to Christ. This terrified the creatures and they left. Then he met Christ and after that had quite an elaborate and detailed experience. Afterward, because the experience changed him so much (Athiest to Believer) he had marital problems with his still Atheist wife and they ultimately divorced, and he fell away from his still Atheist friends. He eventually became a minister and married again to a devout Christian woman. It is hard to believe that was all caused by a drug trip.

The best book I have read regarding NDE’s is “Evidence of the Afterlife: The Science of Near-Death Experiences.” The authors list 9 lines of evidence that they believe prove consciousness separate from the body.


27 posted on 03/30/2013 11:06:47 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: HerrBlucher; Wpin
"People report leaving their bodies,watching their doctor operate on them when they should be unconscious,and accurately reporting on not only the goings on in the operating room from a view looking down,but also things in other rooms. That can’t be explained by DMT."

People have reported the exact same experiences when taking DMT. In fact, I personally witnessed some experiments where experienced people could "see" very specific things across space and time. Even things that lie within others minds as memories. I was a complete atheist/realist until I saw that before my eyes.

Unfortunately you will likely never see a published scientific report on it. Why? Even though DMT is a chemical already produced inside your brain and every living creature has it inside them, actually isolating/possessing that chemical is a serious felony.

"He eventually became a minister and married again to a devout Christian woman. It is hard to believe that was all caused by a drug trip."

Your PERCEPTION of reality is entirely dependent on the chemicals that flow through your brain. What we consider reality is essentially a "hallucination" that remains consistent for most of our lives and is unique to each brain. When you slightly alter the brain chemistry, even for a few minutes, it can lead to some of the most profound life realizations. The experience can happen in a dream, NDE, during physical trauma or when taking psychoactive drugs.

I had a childhood friend who was probably the worst of the worst- wife beating alcoholic turned homeless crackhead. One night he 'scored' some psychoactive mushrooms(similar to DMT). Instead of getting doped into oblivion as usual, he said he felt God show him the mistakes he made in his life and how to turn his life around. He now goes to church every week, is an electrician and married a devout woman. There are some studies done where mushrooms are legal that show they can be very effective in treating addiction.

The problem with your theory is it does not stand up to facts. In the case of the good Dr....he was braindead...no brainwaves at any level. You cannot have the kind of experience your hypothesizing on without brainwave activity.

There are very few "facts" when it comes to the brain and dream/spirit world. Perhaps his entire experience occurred before the brain activity shut down? As I stated before, DMT completely alters perception of time. What seems like an entire day's experience "over there" could only require a few minutes of brain activity "here".

"Second,as one who has experienced NDE I can tell you with certainty it is not hallucination. I have hallucinated with LSD,etc. when younger. There is a huge difference. If you believe that the NDE is a hallucination, then you need to contemplate your entire existence as a hallucination...seriously. It is that real."

Read my 3rd paragraph above. Reality/existence in a way is a "hallucination". We accept it because it remains essentially consistent since birth. A filtered, processed interpretation of reality that supposedly entirely stems from your 5 senses. Now, think about when you (or other people) have a dream how absolutely "real" it can feel. That alone proves your mind doesn't need those 5 senses to generate what we call "reality". It can generate a complete "reality" on its own through chemicals and electricity.

The question becomes: how much of reality is from your 5 senses and how much is a "hallucination" entirely generated within your mind. IMO, it is a blend and there is far more out there that we can't "see" at all.

While all psychedelic drugs can alter perception and let you see beyond your baseline interpretation of "reality", the man-made LSD seems to be the least "visionary" and most dangerous one. I personally have never seen or heard of any good results from LSD.

The excesses of the hippies have done untold damage to our perception and understanding of these brain chemicals. Anytime people hear about these natural psychoactive chemicals, they automatically associate them with idiots who abuse them for fun.

35 posted on 03/31/2013 7:02:22 AM PDT by varyouga
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