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To: patlin

“Yeshua said that none can come to Him unless they have been called by the Father. This is the calling and receiving of the word of God’s grace. “Many are called, few will enter”, why?”


Here is the scripture you have referenced:

Mat 22:9-14 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. (10) So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. (11) And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: (12) And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. (13) Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (14) For many are called, but few are chosen.

From Barnes’ Commentary:
“Our Saviour often uses this expression. It was probably proverbial. The Jews had been called, but few of them had been chosen to life. The great mass of the nation was wicked, and they showed by their lives that they were not chosen to salvation. The Gentiles also were invited to be saved, Isa_45:22. Nation after nation has been called; but few, few have yet showed that they were real Christians, the elect of God. It is also true that many who are in the church may prove to be without the wedding garment, and show at last that they were not the chosen of God. This remark in the 14th verse is the inference from the “whole parable,” and not of the part about the man without the wedding garment. It does not mean, therefore, that the great mass in the church are simply called and not chosen, or are hypocrites; but the great mass in “the human family,” in the time of Christ, who had been “called,” had rejected the mercy of God.”

It would be false to assume that they are chosen because of their works. Rather, they are chosen by the grace of God:

Rom 9:10-15 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (11) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) (12) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. (13) As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. (14) What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. (15) For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Works, therefore, have no effect on election.

“You say there is nothing to be done, but Paul begs to differ with you.”


I never said there is nothing to be done. I said that what is done has no bearing on salvation, as all hinges not on the man, but on God who has mercy.

Your quote from 3 Cor does not contradict Romans, as he says in Romans “whom he calls, he justifies” and “whom he foreknew, he predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son.” In other words, it is the work of God who conforms us, not man.

Your scripture does not say, “Man conforms himself to the image of God by following countless Hebrew ritual laws.”

Furthermore, lets actually discuss the Greatest Commandments:

Mat 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Where are the dietary laws? Where is circumcision? Where are feast days? If they determine your salvation, they would be listed. Instead, Christ calls us to the meat of the law.

Yes, we are the Temples of God, and as such must endeavor to keep ourselves Holy. But can we really succeed in this?

1Jn_1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Jas_2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

The mark of the true Christian is that he always endeavors to be conformed to the image of Christ, even as he wars against the sin in his members, but no one is justified by the law, nor are we bound to obey the ritual, sacrificial and other such laws which were all, merely, prefigures of Christ. You would have us believe that all of these laws are still bound to us, since they are within the Books of Moses.

Heb 9:8-10 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: (9) Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; (10) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Act_15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Mat_11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light

The time of reformation has come with Christ, who fulfilled those laws and their penalty on the cross, and now we are dead to the law, bound only to the law of Christ, which is no unbearable yoke.

Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Rom_7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.


9 posted on 03/29/2013 12:08:18 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
“Yeshua said that none can come to Him unless they have been called by the Father” ... Here is the scripture you have referenced: Mat 22:9-14

Umm, no, the Scripture I was referencing was,

John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT BY GOD.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

No one is ever chosen by their works and HRN does not teach this. What they teach is works as evidence of ones faith just as James defines it, no more , no less. Grace is absolutely free and there is nothing we can do to obligate God to give it to us. NOTHING! NADA! But we understand that by accepting that gift of grace, we then have the love in our hearts to never ever want to disappoint the Father, just as we never wished to disappoint our earthly parents as to bring disgrace to their names, and dishonor their authority over us.

God's Name carries the full force of His Authority over our lives, just as it did Yeshua.

Rm 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that ones slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

1Jn 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

2Thess 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, ... 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

There are only 2 spirits in this world, the Spirit of Truth that comes from God the Father or the spirit of the lawlessone who is the serpent in the garden.

You asked where dietary laws? Where is circumcision? Where are feast days? What you do not see is that you answered your own questions when you quoted Mt 22:40 “On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”

But let's look at the 2 greatest commands? Where did they come from?

Lev 19:18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.

Dt 6:5 You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

Did you really think the Son came up with new doctrine of His own when He clearly stated over and over again that He spoke not one word of His own, but only that given to Him from the Father?

I do not follow Jewish traditions (oral law aka Talmud) nor do I promote them as that is clearly a violation of Yeshua’s commands in Mark 7, doctrines and traditions that make void the authority of the Law of God. But when the Word of God clearly says that something is forever, I trust Him that that I am to learn from what He says and to follow those instructions with all my heart.

Rm 7 ... we became dead to the law of adultery as we had strayed from the true worship of God by worshiping Him according to the traditions and doctrines of man and in the eyes of God, He sees that as adultery. That is the golden calf incident. But really, let's take a look at what Paul first said when he began in Romans 7,

“Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the Law), that the Law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?”

So it would seem that unless you are studied in “the Law” aka Moses, then Paul is not speaking to you because you wouldn't understand what he was speaking to which is spiritual adultery as what had happened at the golden calf incident where they proclaimed it was a feast to God but then turned and held it according to their desires and not His desire as He had just commanded them prior to Moses ascending the mountain. They said “I do” then they went and continued in their own ways rather than the way God set before them. Paul tells us that these became examples to us (1Cor 10) so that we would not fall into their rebellious and disobedient ways.

But whatever it is, it all is a matter of the heart, a circumcised heart. If ones heart is circumcised, one will want to with all their heart, soul and strength do all that is pleasing to God as He gave it to us to do. And a circumcised heart will speak His Word truthfully, not twisting it to our own destruction as has been done over and over and over again by all walks of religion.

Putting on the yoke of Yeshua is a light as He said it is. No longer do I feel the pressures of the man made religious days that have been turned into nothing more than commercialism and the result, lower blood pressure and a more fruitful bank account that we can share with those more needy than us. Putting on the yoke of Yeshua is truly as James & John said it would be, LIBERTY! NOT Bondage! and Not Burdensome! Why, because one truly feels His presence like one has never felt before when one was weighed down by the doctrines and teachings of men who do not walk in the Way of Yeshua.

1Jn 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Jam 2:12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the Law of liberty.

I think of it as God's Constitution that includes His Bill of Rights as well as His additional amendments to further clarify the original Law of His Land, His Promised Land that is our inheritance and it is not of this world, but of the world to come. His Constitution, Bill of Rights and amendments that we all will be judged by as to whether we had it in our hearts to obey Him or not for He did not send His Son to form a church but to restore His nation, His kingdom of priests who are a special and set apart people from those of the doctrines and traditions of men who twist, add to and take away from His Word in order to create their own authority outside of His true authority over all that He created and gives life to.

12 posted on 03/29/2013 1:32:50 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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