Here ya go
Posted on 03/20/2013 7:45:56 AM PDT by dangus
Baby-killing advocates Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi have told the press that they received communion at the papal mass. And I've seen loads of pictures of both at the papal mass. Seeing how the big news story their presence spurs is whether they'd receive communion, is there any evidence that they did? It's not like both have not directly lied about their relationships with the Catholic faith.
Please understand that I am not making an assertion that they did NOT. I am only trying to find confirmation that they DID.
The Church talks a good talk, but the walk doesn’t line up. They can have it both ways, appeasing the moral with their talk, and the immoral with their walk. It is the walk that is really the telling part, though.
Wouldn't that be like a crucifix to a vampire?
All the Church ever claimed to do was talk the talk. That’s her job. That’s her unique charism. There have been plenty of horrifically evil popes; that none actually has ever taught false doctrine only testifies to the supernatural character of the church.
But when 41% of Americans don’t know who Joe Biden is, exactly how do you expect 500 Italian priests to all know him by sight. You see the picture I uploaded; you can see how he could go from one to another until he found someone who didn’t look at him funny. And for that matter, not one person has produced any evidence that Biden actually received communion. All we have is his assertion. Period.
Meanwhile, Protestants universally welcome to their churches anyone from any denomination, so it seems a little strange to hear all these Protestants acting so outraged. The Southern Rite freemasons perform black masses. Ever hear of one of them being denied membership in a Protestant church Ever? Oh, Hell no; in the old days all them good ol’ boy pastors WERE freemasons! How about the Bohemian Grove politicians?
“The [Catholic] Church is intolerant in principle because she believes; she is tolerant in practice because she loves. Her enemies are tolerant in principle because they do not believe. They are intolerant in practice because they do not love.”
The issue here is not who takes it, but who gives it, after it has been stated that it would not be given.
If you say all who come to the table are welcome, that is one thing.
If you have said some will be refused but then do not refuse them, that is another thing.
Well, we have a new pope. We can always pray that things will change for the better. My head burst when I heard he was Jesuit. IMO, ( and I don't want to prejudge), He strikes me as a pope that will speak of the advantages of communism over capitalists. I'm already concerned now that he says we must take care of the planet and is carping on governments taking care of the poor. I've seen it all my life, especially Jesuits. The preach Jesus was a communist and get the church and government confused. I was taught THE CHURCH is to take care of the poor. To place that burden on government just takes God's principles out of the church.
I can't explain why more and more Catholics vote for abortion and gay marriage so they can score big on a government check. I spend way too much of my Spiritual time fretting over the fall of the church. We will completely collapse, IMO, all the while I'm told everything is great. I'm sure the Lutherans heard the same thing as they got lesbian preachers and pushed abortion for their female members. Catholics just say, "Well, that's them, not us".
Some of the things I read here said the pope was very conservative politically. I think I heard years ago he was not. I sure hope he is not a lefty after all. That would be terrible.
There are a lot of Catholics who say “I would not get an abortion, but I would stop someone else.” They won't stand up for the helpless and innocent and don't see that is also wrong. I always say that God will hold people accountable for there votes, because they gave them the power to make evil laws.
I can tell you why many Catholics are liberal. Priest have not been teaching or giving sermons on the sins of abortion, homosexuality, premarital sex.... People then think it doesn't matter. The church I was baptized in has festivals every year. They will let the democrat leaders talk but not the republican. Some of those churches are so lost. There are a few others that are okay.
Not to mention that the media buzz was already going on about just this very subject before it even happened. Then you have Biden boasting that he did, indeed, receive the Eucharist. Had he been a genuinely humble and repentant Catholic, and asked if he had, he should have said something like, "That is a personal issue between me and Christ.", and refused to answer. Same with Pelosi. The fact that he not only DID present himself, after people had been alerted to Pope Francis' decision about pro-abortion public figures not being given communion, but publicly bragging about it only serves to rub Catholics' collective noses in the impotency of even the highest position of authority within their church. Biden and Pelosi will return to America unconvinced that their stands in favor of abortion will harm them spiritually OR politically and have no reason whatsoever to repent and change their actions. What a wasted opportunity!
“The Christian and Catholic Churches are under attack and we better stick together. It will strengthen us to be as one even with our differences”.
You are absolutely right. It worries me to see Christians attack each other and call those who worship differently “cults” and such.
If only non-sinners were allowed to take communion, there would be no one taking it. That is the reason why you are supposed to go to a priest and admit, openly, your sins and ask the Lord for forgiveness. If you don’t admit you have sinned, then you are living a fantasy. The pro-abortion folks who claim to be Christian are living in this fantasy.
The Catholic vote is a vote for the left and that is why America’s most prominent Catholics Vice President Biden and ex-speaker Pelosi are representing us at the ceremony of their Pope.
The left is confident of crushing the Protestant Christian presence in American politics because they see that the Catholic voters will eventually take them to total, absolute victory.
Conservatives were hoping that Biden and Pelosi would be used by the Vatican to create a pro-life message to the world’s Catholics but that didn’t happen of course.
“The Catholic vote is a vote for the left “
Actually, that is only partially true and not true at all among Catholics who attend mass regularly. It is only true of “Easter and Christmas” Catholics and Latinos. I believe Boerner and Paul Ryan are Catholic, as are Rick Santorum, Newt, Scalia and half of the Supreme Court’s conservative judges. So, be careful in making generalizations.
That would be far too much over-stating the case...if not for the Mexican immigrants (chiefly RC or nominally Catholic) for they have been effectively co-opted for reason of their own selfish desires (to be in the United States instead of Catholic Mexico).
As it is, it's only over-stating the case "a little". But crushing the Protestant Christian presence in America IS the goal, and a goal many Catholics seem not unhappy with (for it crushes protestants!)
..if the Left can't just win by corrupting religious persons, as some significant portions of mainstream fully Protestant (compared to say, Baptists, which don't tie themselves so much to the Reformation) have apparantly been turned "progressive" liberal, then they seek to fully destroy, and have been making "progress" towards that over-arching goal.
The strange thing is RC'ers will frequently rush to proclaim their own liberal wing or members are "CINO's" but not extend that same type of identification towards liberal Protestants whom have greatly deviated from their own sects founding principles. Ending up with "that's not what the church teaches" as deflection away from what the church membership in fact does.
The results, compared to the lefties in some protestant denominations, can be very similar...but only the lesbian lefties among the Episcopalians seem recognized as church-sanctioned leftyism.
Here ya go
Catholics have always been democrat voters while Protestants have always been republican voters.
Hispanic Catholics aren’t changing that, since they only recently got here in large numbers the effect that they are having is keeping the Catholic vote in it’s traditional place, as the dwindling whites in the denomination, have in recent years become a little more conservative.
Besides, whether white or Hispanic, they still belong to the same denomination, in fact Mexico has always been an almost purely Catholic nation, similar to when the United States was almost purely Protestant.
The fact is that the Catholic vote is a vote for the left, it has always been so, in 150 years we can only come up with about 5 slender exceptions, and only one of those was against an incumbent democrat.
In other words, in a reelection cycle, with the power of the incumbency, a republican stood a chance in recent elections, like George W in 2004, of winning the Catholic vote.
Catholics preferred Clinton, Clinton, Al Gore, and Obama, and Obama, that is how the largest single Christian denomination votes.
Taking a longer time frame view, that "keeping the vote in it's traditional place" does appear to be much the case. I'm not sure how it could be reasonably & honestly argued otherwise. ...Though it's been tried around here a few times. ;^)
You seem to be continuing to miss the point. It's not so much that I expected some obscure priest to be able to identify who Biden was and refuse him communion, but it is that there WAS no official pronouncement from the Vatican concerning this - even though it was said the new Pope did not think pro-abortion public officials should present themselves for communion. Had there been such an "official" proclamation prior to the event - maybe even a special call to Biden and Pelosi's offices - then the duty for enforcing such a rule would not be on the individual priest but on Joe and San Fran Nan to police themselves. OBVIOUSLY, such had not been communicated as was evident by Biden bragging about receiving communion at the event!
Had the Vatican made it clear that pro-abort politicos should not receive communion, then had they done so anyway and then BOASTED about it afterward, THEY would be the ones rightfully condemned by the people and not the Vatican. Because it was bolloxed up, a quite teachable moment was lost. That's all I'm trying to say. 'kay?
Oh, Boatbums, come on. I sincerely thought you were mad that they didn’t forcibly prevent Biden from taking it. I never imagined you could be unaware of the numerous proclamations against pro-abortion politicians receiving the Holy Eucharist.
As president of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under John Paul II, and as Pope, himself, Benedict XVI issued repeated clarifications that those who vote to legalize or keep legal abortion are excommunicated, and shall not present themselves for communion. Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke, President of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura (the “Vatican Supreme Court”), specifically focused on American politicians in the 2008 election season. Cdl Burke and Timothy Cardinal Dolan mentioned Nancy Pelosi by name when she riotously claimed that as Catholic, she felt compelled to “protect women’s rights.” As head of the South American Episcopal Conference, Pope Francis issued an urgent letter that all Bishops make their congregants aware.
Benedict XVI went so far as to issue an appeal to ever bishop to assert that voting for a politican who supported abortion constituted a grave sin. When American liberal Catholics claimed that the entirety of the politician’s platform must be considered, not one single issue, Cdl. Burke clarified that the horror of abortion was so great that no other issue could be balance it, and that any reference to balancing the rest of a candidate’s positions only applied to cases when all candidates supported abortion “rights.”
Now, you’re not Catholic, so I can understand that you don’t hear these pronouncements read from the altar. That’s the only place you’d hear them, given the sad state of the press. But I solemnly assure you, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi know that the faith they claim asserts that if they died tonight, they’d be crispy.
The news media had already gotten the word out that the new Pope Francis was against pro-abortion politicians OPENLY receiving communion and the speculation began when both Biden and Pelosi announced they would attend the induction ceremonies representing the U.S. whether or not THIS would be the time to publicly demonstrate the Vatican meant it this time.
Apparently, no notice was given to either American - though I have every reason to believe they were very much aware about the stand this Pope was taking. Biden pointedly boasted about getting the Eucharist at the Mass.
Ergo...they snubbed their noses at the new Pope AND all pro-life Catholics by going ahead and partaking of Communion.
Did I expect either to be publicly refused the host? No, I already had said that it would not be the right time for the new guy to make a spectacle on his big day.
You "sincerely" thought I was mad that they didn't forcibly prevent Biden from taking it? Why should I be mad, it's not my church that says one thing, makes repeated clarifications about it, threatens all kinds of really bad things, and then allows KNOWN offenders to go right ahead and do it anyway - over and over and over. Why aren't you mad??? Why aren't the Catholics who attend the same church as these two mad enough to demand the bishop follow through on what comes down from "headquarters" and does what Scripture clearly says regarding those who do such things?
If I wanted to put a name on the emotion I feel as a pro-life Christian, when I see blatant abortion proponents - people that actually have the power to pass laws that do nothing to lesson the horror and everything to increase it throughout the world at American taxpayers' expense - who are Catholic and who appear to not be phased or affected by what their hierarchy rules at all, I guess I'd say I was disenheartened and disappointed.
We hear all the time about how the Roman Catholic Church is the biggest supporter of the right to life and how nobody is more involved than they are and they beat every other Christian church in the fight for the unborn. But, when it comes to having to risk a little skin by making an example of those that blatantly and boastfully continue to do whatever they want regardless of what the Pope says, they get squishy. I wonder what they are afraid of? Doesn't it make you wonder?
As I mentioned earlier in the post I grew up in the Catholic Church. I attended Catholic grade school and high school. I taught CCD locally and when we were stationed at the Pearl Harbor Sub Base. I left the Catholic Church for a several reasons. I was angry watching local Catholic Churches support pro-abortion and pro same-sex marriage politicians. I helped with local candidates and attended church festivals....where the liberal politician was allowed to speak and the traditional family candidate was not.
It's nice to vent our feelings, but I think we can each make an impact on this problem. This is what I am doing. I am writing to my x Catholic Church current priest and cc'ing the Archbishop of my diocese and whoever is above him; I'll have to check. I am telling them why I and 99% of my family and I will give names with their permission (I have 59 cousins on one side and they have lots of kids) left the church. I will tell them the church is not standing up to both republican and democrat Catholics who are socially liberal, allowing them to take the sacraments knowing they not only are personally pro-abortion and pro same-sex marriage, but they lead others into sin. I will say I believe this is the biggest reasons many Catholics think abortion and same sex marriage is ok. The churches' inaction tells everyone, including kids, that they do not have to follow the rules and can still call themselves Catholic. The churches edicts don't mean anything if you don't enforce them. I won't tell you what to do, but if the church hears from a lot of people, things might change. Then we can say, we did everything we could. .
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