Posted on 03/15/2013 4:55:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
I still am very much a proponent of the beautiful Tridentine Mass.
But I am also a Catholic and I believe that the Church knows best.
Should I ever change my mind, I can always leave. But where can I go — she has the words of life?
I wonder if the Latin Mass schismatics are kicking themselves now because they didn’t take Benedict up on his eagerness to bring them back into the fold. A couple of months ago, the Pope was someone who wanted them back badly. This guy does not have that as a priority.
They should have come back when the welcome mat was out.
Ann makes at least 7 reasoned points. (For the idiots reading this, reasoned does not necessarily mean correct). Yet most of the bozos responding only attacks Ann as a nut case. Not one of them writes where she is wrong. Yup, sounds like good libtards methods to me.
I pray and am sure Ann does also that she is found to be wrong. But methinks she may be dead on correct.
A you asked for it ping
Having suffered through many interpretations of the proceedings and many abominations, not the least of which I consider to be the “music” they bring in, in favor of the beautiful traditional music, Western music at its origin, some argue, I have come to realize, and teach, that it is the Eucharist that is the center.
All else either takes away or adds to that. After we see the end of all of this horror, perhaps having stemmed from the Church in the West misguidedly working with local govts in economics (using them to enact social justice) the Church, knowing best, as you say, will attend to the mass as need be.
Since it was transmitted electronically, no paper was involved, so relative worth can’t be established in that way.
I know a few things about Ann Barnhardt.
I don’t know anything about you.
While I am not Catholic, I am also not a Catholic basher.
I often learn from those who disagree with each other on points of reference that are specifically Catholic, and of which I have no real understanding.
But your post offended me, because I learned nothing, except that you are a jerk.
Consider yourself chastised, and retreat to your own hole.
I’m sick to death of Ann Barnhardt and her increasingly insane screeds. Her voice alone assaults my nerves to the point I rush to turn her off. Ann get a new job or buy a Starbucks franchise or something to keep yourself busy.
I skimmed it, and saw blasphemous trash, as I had before.
My comment is, she, and others on the left and far right and deranged, angry, what have you, they do not have to be Catholic and they do not have to like the Church.
I can read criticism of the government, the pundits and the voters. It is a democratic republic.
The Church is not democratic. It never was and it never will be.
Criticism from a woman who is angry is nothing I want to read.
I made my comment starting out with: I didn't read it.
I also acknowledge that many otherwise informed people have no regard for the history of the Church and its leaders all of whom have education and humanitarian credentials pages long. She criticizes the Mass. It is a low priority and it proves to me she needs to get a life and quit dumping her finances onto misguided charity cases and take a lesson from the Pope who wouldn't dump all his resources onto an unappreciative and undeserving case who would ruin him or the Church, as Ann did and as the US is doing in concurrence with the USCCB in catering to illegals who care nothing for this country.>
Agree with your post.
Ann’s 8 part video series on today’s economic situation is dead-on accurate.I don’t think she is nuts. She just see further over the horizon than most. And she lives her beliefs.
Not being Catholic, I cannot comment on her inside baseball on such matters. But I too, was, troubled when I heard the new Pope was a Jesuit and I hope he has not been contaminated by the American version of that order.He seems like a good and humble man from first impressions.
It is Georgetown University of covering up the cross for Obama fame, and Notre Dame of having pro-abortion Obama as the commencement speaker in 2009—both of Jesuit fame—that give me pause about all things Jesuit. And where did Sandra Fluke come from—Jesuit Georgetown University.
The new Pope will have to directly confront homosexual groups within his own church and adherence to church doctrine in all matters. For America, he will have to insist that “cafeteria” teachings are not acceptable. Doctrine is either believed or it is not. It is not optional from his position as the Pope. Even politicians who promote abortion can no longer find sanctuary from errant cardinals and bishops giving them moral and political cover.
I wish him and all Catholics well.
Good Lord!
Barnhardt is starting to make Alex Jones and Lyndon Larouche look SANE by comparison. X.x
Ann Barnhardt's criticism of Pope Francis for forbidding the use of the Tridentine Mass in Argentina has its reason. The 1962 Tridentine Mass is sometimes referred to as the "usus antiquior" (older use) or "forma antiquior" (older form), to differentiate it from the newer form of the Roman Rite in use since 1969 when Pope Paul VI initiated the newer revised Mass, as a result of the Second Vatican Council. For this reason, the Tridentine Mass became obsolete and the reason that, then, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Buenos Aires wanted to stay with the new form.
Most people associate the Tridentine Mass with that form said in Latin. Pope Paul VI actually wrote the new form in Latin and said it was OK to celebrate the new form in Latin.
The new Mass form has had its criticism from the very start with the "the Ottaviani Intervention" in June of 1969. The argument said that the new form was in variance to the Council of Trent (1545-63). This criticism has been voiced by Traditionalist Catholics ever since. To understand the issues voiced by the Traditionalist Catholics and Ann Barnhardt against the Pope Paul VI form, one would need the expertise of a Catholic theologian. Any experts out there?
Interesting. Very interesting. Thanks to Ann Barnhardt, E. Pluribus Unum and every poster.
And he is spiteful. He shuts down the White House to the people because he wants to manipulate the situation. But he could pay for those visits easily by cutting a $27 million program to teach Moroccans how to make pottery, a program that is in itself rather arrogant and tinged with racism. WE are going to teach Moroccans how to make a tagine? They've been making pottery for millennia. It's like Morocco spending $27 million to teach Canadians how to play Hockey. But His Royal Hawaiian Highness would not even consider cutting the silly pottery subsidy. No, he has to "stick it to" the ungrateful population.
You know, before you make assumptions, you might inform yourself. Even Rush Limbaugh, a non-Catholic for sure, paid enough attention to realize that
Jorge Mario Bergoglio was DESPISED by the Jesuit Liberation Theologians because he stood up to them.
He was basically exiled by his fellow Jesuits to the outlying provinces, teaching math and chemistry to high school kids.
John Paul II, that great bastion of eeeeeeeeevvvvvvvviiiiiiillllll Liberation Theology is the one who silently overrode the Jesuits and made the despised one a bishop, then archbishop, then cardinal, paving the way for him becoming pope.
He is no Liberation Theologian, he is the exact opposite. He comes from the same theological direction as Ratzinger and was one of Ratzinger’s strong backers in 2005 but lacks Ratzinger’s liturgical sense.
The SSPXers and radical Traditionalists (Barnhardt) have taken out after him as the Devil Incarnate. What they are doing is pure and simply evil. They are revealing their fundamentally schismatic inclinations. I am appalled at how they have treated their own Holy Father on the very first day of his pontificate. A pox on Ann Barnhardt and her ilk.
I agree completely. This woman has taken her eyes off the cross...forgotten to be humble beneath the feet of God and let her ego lead her to the conclusion that she is a better judge of Popes than the men the holy spirit has actually tasked for the job.
I wonder how long it has been since she made an honest confession?
There are many off-the-wall Jesuits. There are also a number of good and holy Jesuits: Mitch Pacwa at EWTN, Joseph Fessio at Ignatius Press, the late Fr. John Hardon, Paul Mankowski at one of the Roman Universities.
I could name a dozen more. Too few, yes. But simply assuming that all Jesuits are dissenters from Catholic teaching or proponents of Liberation Theology is just as bad as what the proponents of Liberation Theology do: distort the truth.
To pass judgment on a person based on guilt by association is an unChristian thing to do, whether one is Catholic or not.
....lemme guess....Rick Warren.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.