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To: Syncro
>> Not true at all. There were no Catholics or Catholic church back then, except through history being re written some time after the Catholic church began around 325AD Christians back then, and now also, are under the "banner" of God through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. <<

The only rewritten history is on your part, if you can produce any evidence that the Catholic Church was "created" around 325 A.D., you are welcome to present it. Christianity wasn't legalized until 313 A.D., so I doubt they advertised themselves publicly, but certainly the Catholic Church was well established and referenced by prominent Christians before that time. Ignatius of Antioch wrote a letter around 107 A.D "addressed to all the congregations of the Holy Catholic Church in every place", the idea that the Catholic Church didn't exist yet would have certainly been a shock to him.

Even if we go by your revisionist date, you still acknowledge that Christianity was wholly under the banner of the Catholic Church from 325 A.D. to 1054 A.D. If you name any other Christian denominations around back then besides Catholics, please let me know. Jesus told Peter that HE would be the rock upon which the church was built. That was the case for hundreds of years, until other Christians broke away from that communion.

53 posted on 03/16/2013 5:35:33 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy
First, the title "pope" was originally given to priests, and then bishops.

Apparently it became a distinctive title of the Roman Pontiff when Pope Siricius (d. 398) used it. (Ep. vi in P.L., XIII, 1164)

Ignatius of course was talking about the universal (catholic) church, not The Catholic Church of today.

It's also believed by some that St. Boniface III ( 607 - 608 ), accepted the title pontiff, making himself the supreme ruler, of the church. He is considered as the first official pope of the Catholic church. All preceding bishops, except for Gregory the Great ( 590 - 604 ), refused the title.

Check Catholic history.

So Peter didn't consider himself the pope of the Catholic Church.

...you still acknowledge that Christianity was wholly under the banner of the Catholic Church from 325 A.D. to 1054 A.D. If you name any other Christian denominations around back then besides Catholics, please let me know.
There weren't any denominations back then, not even Catholic.

There were many groups of Christians which could be called branches of the church that Jesus started back then.

You can see what Jesus had to say to the churches of the time in Rev 2.

Perhaps Sardis was the Catholic church?

Jesus told Peter that HE would be the rock upon which the church was built. That was the case for hundreds of years, until other Christians broke away from that communion.
Nonsense. Jesus it the ROCK and head of his church, made up of all born again saved Christians that have that personal relationship with Jesus.

Peter apparently is the head of the Catholic church, although I'm sure he would protest (it "certainly (would be) a shock to him") if he were around today. He knew that Jesus was the Rock that His church is built upon.

Actually it was the Catholic denomination that broke away from all the other Christians back in 1054 A.D

55 posted on 03/17/2013 12:51:42 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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