To: xzins
I have to disagree with the supposed “continuity” of the Catholic Church’s history. I’ve seen quotes from supposed early Popes denying the primacy of Peter and other important dogmas of the Catholic church, which allegedly had always existed without controversy. I also have a problem with the Catholics on their works-righteousness, and I’m always troubled to see the Pope standing side by side representatives of non-Christian religions.
To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
You are talking about the continuity of leadership. I’m talking about the continuity of the body.
26 posted on
03/11/2013 2:17:59 PM PDT by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
"The oprimacy of Peter" is a phrase that could elicit a lot of different meanings: that is, primacy in the sense of administration; or of honor; or of jurisdiction; or the authority to discipline; or his relation to an ecumenical council; or his relation to canon law; etc. etc.
You would have to distinguish just what this "primacy" meant, how it was supposed to operate; at what time; in what place; in what manner; in how far it a supposed to extend; and what were its limits.
A pope does not have the authority, for instance, to change the matter of a sacrament; or to negate or rescind a doctrine of the faith; or to contradict Scripture.
You'd have to nail down what as meant, before you could conclude that a pope had denied exactly that "primacy" which the Church affirms.
As for works-righteousness: we wouldn't offer a perspective on that other than what you could find in the Epistle of St James.
To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
1. There hasn't been any denying the primus inter pares (first among equals) of the bishop of Rome
2. There are no quotes denying any dogma - can you share what you have read please?
3. Clarify what exactly you believe in "works-righteousness" - there are misconceptions among many. We don't believe that if you do works without believing and trusting in Christ, without believing in that, repenting you cannot be saved. No Christ, no salvation.
4. "Standing side by side" -- depends on what the standing is about. a photo-op? Or deeper. There is no salvation outside Christ, but we aren't told to not be nice to Hindus etc.
61 posted on
03/13/2013 2:04:54 AM PDT by
Cronos
(Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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