[terycarl]

Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1] Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife. Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2] Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3] Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4] Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

you have stated throughout your postings that the Sacrament of reconciliation in the Catholic church is without merit....you have stated that Jesus died for the redemption of mankind and the forgiveness of all sin and that our actions have nothing to do with our redemption......you have stated that simply believing that Christ died for our sins is enough to exonerate us from any responsibility for them at all.......why then, do you continue to post this litany of "bad popes" who have long since been forgiven of their shortcomings and sins???????????

[aMorePerfectUnion]

You are asking many questions, but you haven’t answered any.

[Elsie]

you have stated throughout your postings that the Sacrament of reconciliation in the Catholic church is without merit...

I think you are WRONG in your assertion here.

[Elsie]

.......why then, do you continue to post this litany of "bad popes" ...

You've FORGOTTEN already?

Has LUTHER been 'forgiven' by your wonderful and glorious CHURCH?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

...still waiting for you to back up your truth claim terycarl.

[Syncro]

why then, do you continue to post this litany of "bad popes" who have long since been forgiven of their shortcomings and sins???????????

That statement is completely 100% false unless you can provide documentation of the parties involved repenting and asking forgiveness for what they did from God.

Sure, they have been forgiven by the "Church" and Catholics like you.

But that is only for the person forgiving, it does NOT grant them forgiveness from God.

So show the proof or again be caught posting false information.

When I posted the word savior spelled saviour, which is a correct way to spell it, you said it was an error and that I should "be ashamed!!!!."

Yes I forgave you for that in my heart.

Of course the shame never got to me, it was blocked by the Blood of Jesus which protects EVERY born again Christian from the hate that is thrown at them.

But are you forgiven by God?

Only if you repent and ask Him.

Otherwise you carry that sin of "accusation of the brethren" around in your soul. (Of the brethern of course only if you are a born again Christian with a personal relationship with God throught Jesus.)

Let's take an example of one of the horrible sins embedded in Popes to see if he has been forgiven by God.

This one: Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

The only way he could be forgiven by God is if, when he heard the gunshot and before the bullet hit him and killed him, he repented and asked God for His forgiveness.

I highly think that is what happened, as he was obviously in the midst of enjoying ill-gotten sexual pleasures and did not even know the husband of the woman he was committing adultery with was in the room about to shoot him.

Likewise he would have had to, in that split second, asked for forgiveness for the murders he committed, as well as the lessor sins of giving property to his mistress.

Documentation please, if you wish your words to have ANY credibility at all.

Including these words of yours on this thread:

The Catholic church teaches it, the Catholic church is infallible, therefore I believe it.

You there stated that the "Catholic church is infallible," not their teachings, but The Catholic Church

That would make all the actions of the Bad Popes infallible, therefore making all their crimes Godly actions.

*Sigh*, such is Catholicism.