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To: metmom; CynicalBear
...and MAKING him (us) do it are two different things.

No one said God MADE Adam sin. In fact I've been very clear that Adam was an independent thinker, the tree was placed in the garden, God created the circumstance, God knew what would happen. Those are all facts. That's it.

There is nothing there that would suggest God MADE Adam take the fruit.

435 posted on 01/28/2013 7:29:26 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; metmom
>> There is nothing there that would suggest God MADE Adam take the fruit.<<

Other than you used the word “ordained” which means “To order by virtue of superior authority; decree or enact or to prearrange unalterably; predestine

Predestine - 1. To fix upon, decide, or decree in advance; foreordain. 2. Theology To foreordain or elect by divine will or decree.

>> In fact I've been very clear that Adam was an independent thinker<<

You may have thought you were clear but you then said two different things. Adam could not both have been an “independent thinker” with the will to not sin if God “ordered by superior authority”, prearrange unalterably” or “decreed in advance” that he sin. Either you believe Adam had a choice or you believe he didn’t. If Adam had a choice, than God didn’t “ordain” that Adam sin. If God “ordained” that Adam sin, than Adam did not have a choice. Which do you believe? From what I have read you have said both.

453 posted on 01/28/2013 8:12:58 AM PST by CynicalBear
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