[CynicalBear]

>> There is nothing there that would suggest God MADE Adam take the fruit.<<

Other than you used the word “ordained” which means “To order by virtue of superior authority; decree or enact or to prearrange unalterably; predestine

Predestine - 1. To fix upon, decide, or decree in advance; foreordain. 2. Theology To foreordain or elect by divine will or decree.

>> In fact I've been very clear that Adam was an independent thinker<<

You may have thought you were clear but you then said two different things. Adam could not both have been an “independent thinker” with the will to not sin if God “ordered by superior authority”, prearrange unalterably” or “decreed in advance” that he sin. Either you believe Adam had a choice or you believe he didn’t. If Adam had a choice, than God didn’t “ordain” that Adam sin. If God “ordained” that Adam sin, than Adam did not have a choice. Which do you believe? From what I have read you have said both.

[HarleyD]

You may have thought you were clear but you then said two different things. Adam could not both have been an “independent thinker” with the will to not sin if God “ordered by superior authority”,

Let's use the other Adam...

Do you believe our Lord Jesus was capable of sinning?

Do you believe that God ordained Jesus to be the Savior of the world?

Saying God made Adam to sin is like saying God (the Father) made Jesus to live a perfect life.

Saying God did not ordained the events of Adam's fall is like saying God did not ordained our Lord's redemption.