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To: boatbums
I wanted to respond to the false, in my view, assertion that "nowhere in the Bible is free will mentioned"

Free will is not mentioned. The word is willing or volunteering. And it's not used in the salvation experience. So those are poor examples and my assertion is not false. What you failed to respond to was how "free will" is used in salvation. Are you willing to say man comes to God on his own volition? Are you willing to say the dictionary is wrong? That is what we've heard.

Protestants need to read and understand their confessions. Don't blame me if you don't like being a Protestant. I'll stick with the confessions.

We have already seen comments on this thread that mock SS and who point to the disagreements going on here between non-Catholics to demonstrate its failure.

No, we haven't seen any disagreement on sola scriptura. What we have seen are some who believe they are so right and everyone else is so wrong that it's an absolute embarrassment. The reason the Westminster and London Baptist Confessions were written was to articulate the points of Protestantism. Somehow Protestants have this weird idea that we just drift along which is absolute nonsense. Protestantism found its systematic theology in Calvin which was transcribed into the confessions. The real issue is that Protestants are just as dumb about their teachings as Catholics are about theirs. There isn't a dog's hair width of difference between the fundamentals of Catholicism and Protestantism today. If it wasn't for that Mary thing everyone would be thanking the Pope.

Free will, after all, is a Catholic idea via Pelagius. Protestants just adapted it. That should make one think - I would hope.

1,143 posted on 02/05/2013 5:16:32 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; boatbums
>> That is what we've heard.<<

It’s not what I’ve heard. Not once from anyone here.

>> That should make one think - I would hope.<<

It sure does make me think. Makes me think that the focus on the label of “protestant” or “Calvinist” or whatever is taking the focus off of Christ.

Once again, Christ didn’t set up “denominations” or divisions. He called all believers worldwide the “body of Christ”. No “organization” or man between the believer and Christ. If “confessions” were needed or believed necessary by Christ or the apostles why were there none included by the Holy Spirit in scripture?

1,145 posted on 02/05/2013 5:35:48 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2)
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To: HarleyD
Free will is not mentioned. The word is willing or volunteering. And it's not used in the salvation experience. So those are poor examples and my assertion is not false. What you failed to respond to was how "free will" is used in salvation. Are you willing to say man comes to God on his own volition? Are you willing to say the dictionary is wrong? That is what we've heard.

"Free will" WAS the term used by some of the Bible versions for the two different Greek words. I don't see the point of arguing over it nor the need to quibble about whether or not the verses were "poor examples". My point is simply that the term IS used in Scripture. If people can give voluntarily, if they can come and go of their own volition, if we are admonished to make choices for good, why can it not also be, to a point, how we respond to God's grace? As to how I view free will WRT salvation, I did not fail to respond at all. Perhaps you should read my response again.

Protestants need to read and understand their confessions. Don't blame me if you don't like being a Protestant. I'll stick with the confessions.

Why would I blame you for what I believe? I was born and raised in a religious system that went by catechisms and councils to come to decisions about what they believe at any given century. There was within my heart a stirring that convinced me there was something more, something I wasn't being told about, something I was missing. That stirring, of course, was the Holy Spirit and, at sixteen years old, I understood the gospel from reading John 10:27-30. I received Jesus Christ as my savior and I was baptized into a Southern Baptist Church. Several years later, God called me to go to a Bible College because I wanted to not only know what I believed but why I believed it. I crammed four years into five and a half and graduated with a B.A. in Theology/Biblical Education. So this "Protestant" isn't dumb about the faith and there is an OCEAN of difference between what I know and believe from what I once did as a Catholic.

What went on on this thread is incredibly sad to me. Over a doctrine that NO BODY can come down definitively on one side of or another, enmity and discord was spread for DAYS and hard feelings and anger was sown. Accusations were hurled and heels dug in and I could picture the devil yukking it up over it all. It was embarrassing! I purposely chose to mostly stay out and my contribution was to defend the doctrine of sola Scriptura against those who would AND will blame it for why we non-Catholics seem to be at such crossroads. I'll not get in the boxing ring over a doctrine that Scripture is not clear cut on. I'm sorry if that is unacceptable to you.

1,154 posted on 02/05/2013 8:17:58 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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