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To: Cronos
To quote Luther Who, but the devil, has granted such license of wresting the words of the holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures, that my body is the same as the sign of my body? or, that is is the same as it signifies? What language in the world ever spoke so? It is only then the devil, that imposes upon us by these fanatical men.

You wanna show a source for that, just so we will know you didn't make it up...

881 posted on 01/10/2013 1:33:21 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool; Cronos
"You wanna show a source for that, just so we will know you didn't make it up..."

"Who, but the devil, has granted such license of wresting the words of the holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures, that my body is the same as the sign of my body? or, that is is the same as it signifies? What language in the world ever spoke so? It is only then the devil, that imposes upon us by these fanatical men. Not one of the Fathers of the Church, though so numerous, ever spoke as the Sacramentarians: not one of them ever said, It is only bread and wine; or, the body and blood of Christ is not there present."

"Surely, it is not credible, nor possible, since they often speak, and repeat their sentiments, that they should never (if they thought so) not so much as once, say, or let slip these words: It is bread only; or the body of Christ is not there, especially it being of great importance, that men should not be deceived. Certainly, in so many Fathers, and in so many writings, the negative might at least be found in one of them, had they thought the body and blood of Christ were not really present: but they are all of them unanimous.”

–Luther’s Collected Works, Wittenburg Edition, no. 7 p, 391

885 posted on 01/10/2013 1:42:39 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Iscool

No, I’m not you who says one day he is Catholic, another day Baptist, another day Modalist. Isn’t it called Taqqiyah?


1,010 posted on 01/11/2013 12:48:04 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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