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To: Natural Law
>> One cannot disagree with a dogmatic teaching of the Church<<

I re-read my post and couldn’t fine where I used the word “dogma”. Could you point it out to me?

>> An Anathema is simply the highest or most severe form of Excommunication.<<

Ok, we have already shown that the RCC says that “Outside the Church there is no salvation”.

What do we mean when we say, "Outside the Church there is no salvation? --When we say, "Outside the Church there is no salvation", we mean that those who through their own grave fault do not know that the Catholic Church is the true Church, or knowing it, refuse to join it, cannot be saved. (http://www.catholicbook.com/AgredaCD/MyCatholicFaith/mcfc070.htm)

“Since God commanded all to be members of His Church. those who deliberately disobey His command will not be saved. Whoever, through his own fault, remains outside of the Catholic Church, will be lost eternally.” (http://www.catholicbook.com/AgredaCD/MyCatholicFaith/mcfc070.htm)

“However, for those who knowingly and deliberately (that is, not out of innocent ignorance) commit the sins of heresy (rejecting divinely revealed doctrine) or schism (separating from the Catholic Church and/or joining a schismatic church), no salvation would be possible until they repented and returned to live in Catholic unity. (http://www.catholic.com/tracts/salvation-outside-the-church)

>>Nowhere does the Church claim the authority to damn or judge anyone.<<

So now you say that when the RCC excommunicates someone because they don’t believe some unscriptural made up cockamamie belief of the RCC they are not “damning or judging” anyone?

1,880 posted on 01/17/2013 3:04:25 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
"So now you say that when the RCC excommunicates someone because they don’t believe some unscriptural made up cockamamie belief of the RCC they are not “damning or judging” anyone?"

That is right. Without conceding your childish characterization of Catholic teaching, we are simply affirming that they have chosen to not be Catholic. Its kinda like telling someone eating a steak that they really aren't a vegan.

Peace be with you

1,885 posted on 01/17/2013 3:15:11 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: CynicalBear; Natural Law
NL: >>Nowhere does the Church claim the authority to damn or judge anyone.<<

CB:So now you say that when the RCC excommunicates someone because they don’t believe some unscriptural made up cockamamie belief of the RCC they are not “damning or judging” anyone?

Of course the Catholic church does and they even quote and misapply Scripture to support it.

Matthew 18:15-20 15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

Catholics claim that that passage, along with apostolic succession, gives them and their priests the ability and authority to forgive someone their sins thus permitting them to enter heaven, and to NOT forgive someone of their sins, thus damning them to hell.

1,932 posted on 01/18/2013 5:03:13 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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