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To: CynicalBear; Natural Law
NL: >>Nowhere does the Church claim the authority to damn or judge anyone.<<

CB:So now you say that when the RCC excommunicates someone because they don’t believe some unscriptural made up cockamamie belief of the RCC they are not “damning or judging” anyone?

Of course the Catholic church does and they even quote and misapply Scripture to support it.

Matthew 18:15-20 15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

Catholics claim that that passage, along with apostolic succession, gives them and their priests the ability and authority to forgive someone their sins thus permitting them to enter heaven, and to NOT forgive someone of their sins, thus damning them to hell.

1,932 posted on 01/18/2013 5:03:13 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"Catholics claim that that passage, along with apostolic succession, gives them and their priests the ability and authority to forgive someone their sins thus permitting them to enter heaven, and to NOT forgive someone of their sins, thus damning them to hell."

That is completely false. One would think that anyone who was legitimately Catholic or who was Catholic and found difficulties with the Church's perceived teachings would be honest enough to actually learn the teachings instead of choosing apostasy arising from a personal error.

The Church teaches that the forgiveness does not come from the priest, but from God through the priest acting "in personna Christi". The fact that you have often criticized and ridiculed the concept of in personna Christi says you are either being forgetful or intentionally inaccurate. Which is it?

1,958 posted on 01/18/2013 9:49:46 AM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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