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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

Bl. John Henry Newman said it best: “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” History paints an overwhelming picture of St. Peter’s apostolic ministry in Rome and this is confirmed by a multitude of different sources within the Early Church. Catholic Encyclopedia states, “In opposition to this distinct and unanimous testimony of early Christendom, some few Protestant historians have attempted in recent times to set aside the residence and death of Peter at Rome as legendary. These attempts have resulted in complete failure.” Protestantism as a whole seeks to divorce Christianity from history by rending Gospel message out of its historical context as captured by our Early Church Fathers. One such target of these heresies is to devalue St. Peter and to twist the authority of Rome into a historical mishap within Christianity. To wit, the belief has as its end the ultimate end of all Catholic and Protestant dialogue – who has authority in Christianity?

 

Why is it important to defend the tradition of St. Peter and Rome?
The importance of establishing St. Peter’s ministry in Rome may be boiled down to authority and more specifically the historic existence and continuance of the Office of Vicar held by St. Peter. To understand why St. Peter was important and what authority was given to him by Christ SPL has composed two lists – 10 Biblical Reasons Christ Founded the Papacy and 13 Reasons St. Peter Was the Prince of the Apostles.

The rest of the list is cited from the Catholic Encyclopedia on St. Peter and represents only a small fraction of the evidence set therein.

 

The Apostolic Primacy of St. Peter and Rome

It is an indisputably established historical fact that St. Peter laboured in Rome during the last portion of his life, and there ended his earthly course by martyrdom. As to the duration of his Apostolic activity in the Roman capital, the continuity or otherwise of his residence there, the details and success of his labours, and the chronology of his arrival and death, all these questions are uncertain, and can be solved only on hypotheses more or less well-founded. The essential fact is that Peter died at Rome: this constitutes the historical foundation of the claim of the Bishops of Rome to the Apostolic Primacy of Peter.

St. Peter’s residence and death in Rome are established beyond contention as historical facts by a series of distinct testimonies extending from the end of the first to the end of the second centuries, and issuing from several lands.

 

1. The Gospel of St. John

That the manner, and therefore the place of his death, must have been known in widely extended Christian circles at the end of the first century is clear from the remark introduced into the Gospel of St. John concerning Christ’s prophecy that Peter was bound to Him and would be led whither he would not — “And this he said, signifying by what death he should glorify God” (John 21:18-19, see above). Such a remark presupposes in the readers of the Fourth Gospel a knowledge of the death of Peter.

 

2. Salutations, from Babylon

St. Peter’s First Epistle was written almost undoubtedly from Rome, since the salutation at the end reads: “The church that is in Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you: and so doth my son Mark” (5:13). Babylon must here be identified with the Roman capital; since Babylon on the Euphrates, which lay in ruins, or New Babylon (Seleucia) on the Tigris, or the Egyptian Babylon near Memphis, or Jerusalem cannot be meant, the reference must be to Rome, the only city which is called Babylon elsewhere in ancient Christian literature (Revelation 17:5; 18:10; “Oracula Sibyl.”, V, verses 143 and 159, ed. Geffcken, Leipzig, 1902, 111).

 

3. Gospel of St. Mark

From Bishop Papias of Hierapolis and Clement of Alexandria, who both appeal to the testimony of the old presbyters (i.e., the disciples of the Apostles), we learn that Mark wrote his Gospel in Rome at the request of the Roman Christians, who desired a written memorial of the doctrine preached to them by St. Peter and his disciples (Eusebius, Church History II.15, 3.40, 6.14); this is confirmed by Irenaeus (Against Heresies 3.1). In connection with this information concerning the Gospel of St. Mark, Eusebius, relying perhaps on an earlier source, says that Peter described Rome figuratively as Babylon in his First Epistle.

 

4. Testimony of Pope St. Clement I

Another testimony concerning the martyrdom of Peter and Paul is supplied by Clement of Rome in his Epistle to the Corinthians (written about A.D. 95-97), wherein he says (chapter 5):

“Through zeal and cunning the greatest and most righteous supports [of the Church] have suffered persecution and been warred to death. Let us place before our eyes the good Apostles — St. Peter, who in consequence of unjust zeal, suffered not one or two, but numerous miseries, and, having thus given testimony (martyresas), has entered the merited place of glory”.

He then mentions Paul and a number of elect, who were assembled with the others and suffered martyrdom “among us” (en hemin, i.e., among the Romans, the meaning that the expression also bears in chapter 4). He is speaking undoubtedly, as the whole passage proves, of the Neronian persecution, and thus refers the martyrdom of Peter and Paul to that epoch.

 

5. Testimony of St. Ignatius of Antioch

In his letter written at the beginning of the second century (before 117), while being brought to Rome for martyrdom, the venerable Bishop Ignatius of Antioch endeavours by every means to restrain the Roman Christians from striving for his pardon, remarking: “I issue you no commands, like Peter and Paul: they were Apostles, while I am but a captive” (Epistle to the Romans 4). The meaning of this remark must be that the two Apostles laboured personally in Rome, and with Apostolic authority preached the Gospel there.

 

6. Taught in the Same Place in Italy

Bishop Dionysius of Corinth, in his letter to the Roman Church in the time of Pope Soter (165-74), says:

“You have therefore by your urgent exhortation bound close together the sowing of Peter and Paul at Rome and Corinth. For both planted the seed of the Gospel also in Corinth, and together instructed us, just as they likewise taught in the same place in Italy and at the same time suffered martyrdom” (in Eusebius, Church History II.25).

 

 

7. Rome: Founded by Sts. Peter and Paul

Irenaeus of Lyons, a native of Asia Minor and a disciple of Polycarp of Smyrna (a disciple of St. John), passed a considerable time in Rome shortly after the middle of the second century, and then proceeded to Lyons, where he became bishop in 177; he described the Roman Church as the most prominent and chief preserver of the Apostolic tradition, as “the greatest and most ancient church, known by all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul” (Against Heresies 3.3; cf. 3.1). He thus makes use of the universally known and recognized fact of the Apostolic activity of Peter and Paul in Rome, to find therein a proof from tradition against the heretics.

 

8. St. Peter Announced the Word of God in Rome

In his “Hypotyposes” (Eusebius, Church History IV.14), Clement of Alexandria, teacher in the catechetical school of that city from about 190, says on the strength of the tradition of the presbyters: “After Peter had announced the Word of God in Rome and preached the Gospel in the spirit of God, the multitude of hearers requested Mark, who had long accompanied Peter on all his journeys, to write down what the Apostles had preached to them” (see above).

 

9. Rome: Where Authority is Ever Within Reach

Like Irenaeus, Tertullian appeals, in his writings against heretics, to the proof afforded by the Apostolic labours of Peter and Paul in Rome of the truth of ecclesiastical tradition. In De Præscriptione 36, he says:

“If thou art near Italy, thou hast Rome where authority is ever within reach. How fortunate is this Church for which the Apostles have poured out their whole teaching with their blood, where Peter has emulated the Passion of the Lord, where Paul was crowned with the death of John.”

In Scorpiace 15, he also speaks of Peter’s crucifixion. “The budding faith Nero first made bloody in Rome. There Peter was girded by another, since he was bound to the cross”. As an illustration that it was immaterial with what water baptism is administered, he states in his book (On Baptism 5) that there is “no difference between that with which John baptized in the Jordan and that with which Peter baptized in the Tiber”; and against Marcion he appeals to the testimony of the Roman Christians, “to whom Peter and Paul have bequeathed the Gospel sealed with their blood” (Against Marcion 4.5).

 

10. Come to the Vatican and See for Yourself

The Roman, Caius, who lived in Rome in the time of Pope Zephyrinus (198-217), wrote in his “Dialogue with Proclus” (in Eusebius, Church History II.25) directed against the Montanists: “But I can show the trophies of the Apostles. If you care to go to the Vatican or to the road to Ostia, thou shalt find the trophies of those who have founded this Church”.

By the trophies (tropaia) Eusebius understands the graves of the Apostles, but his view is opposed by modern investigators who believe that the place of execution is meant. For our purpose it is immaterial which opinion is correct, as the testimony retains its full value in either case. At any rate the place of execution and burial of both were close together; St. Peter, who was executed on the Vatican, received also his burial there. Eusebius also refers to “the inscription of the names of Peter and Paul, which have been preserved to the present day on the burial-places there” (i.e. at Rome).

 

11. Ancient Epigraphic Memorial

There thus existed in Rome an ancient epigraphic memorial commemorating the death of the Apostles. The obscure notice in the Muratorian Fragment (“Lucas optime theofile conprindit quia sub praesentia eius singula gerebantur sicuti et semote passionem petri evidenter declarat”, ed. Preuschen, Tübingen, 1910, p. 29) also presupposes an ancient definite tradition concerning Peter’s death in Rome.

The apocryphal Acts of St. Peter and the Acts of Sts. Peter and Paul likewise belong to the series of testimonies of the death of the two Apostles in Rome.


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To: Natural Law
...by the infallible guidance of the Church ...

That ELECTED all of those bad popes?

You give me giggles!

921 posted on 01/10/2013 4:45:58 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
He simply chooses to let man do as man does...

Get thee behind me...

922 posted on 01/10/2013 4:47:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
don't bring your fantasies into this, we're discussing religion!!!


So THAT's whats going on!!!



923 posted on 01/10/2013 4:48:17 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Rashputin
Life was cheap under pagan Rome

As well as today's Rome.

Oh, the Catholics give good lipservice to the horror of abortion; but how many have blockaded the doors lately of a clinic?

924 posted on 01/10/2013 4:50:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
how on earth could you ever determine that God Almighty would allow His begotten Son to be housed in a soiled vessel?

Since this strawman does NOT exist in Scripture, but the PROPHECY of Christ's birth is found there (and NEVER mentions a SINLESS virgin - but just a virgin) I think GOD can use just about whatever He wants to get the job done.

ROME is the one that says GOD could NOT do it that way.

Kinda presumptuious if you ask me.

(ROME shudda taken RAHAB out of the lineage when they had the chance...)

925 posted on 01/10/2013 4:54:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Talking about heretics. I’ve just been doing some research on the Catholic Church and the inquisition. What an awful horrid church to claim as ones historical home.


926 posted on 01/10/2013 4:54:56 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Natural Law
...why on earth should I or anyone listen to you, who has repeatedly demonstrated fallibility and errancy,...


927 posted on 01/10/2013 4:58:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

The miracle of Christ is that He was born of a sinful woman but was still sinless Himself.


928 posted on 01/10/2013 5:01:47 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
"You don’t consider scripture as God’s word to man?"

Sacred Scripture, together with Sacred Tradition, form the Revealed Word of God, but they are not God.

Peace be with you

929 posted on 01/10/2013 5:12:18 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Religion Moderator
"You ACCUSER!"

Aren't we all a little too old for this juvenile name calling and baiting?

930 posted on 01/10/2013 5:17:00 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Syncro

Given that they were Calvinists, not likely.


931 posted on 01/10/2013 5:17:35 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: terycarl; Elsie
how on earth could you ever determine that God Almighty would allow His begotten Son to be housed in a soiled vessel?

Can you imagine how many booger-eatin' sinners personally TOUCHED HIM??? How could God ALLOW it? Why weren't they all struck down dead? [/sarc]

932 posted on 01/10/2013 5:26:02 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: CynicalBear; Natural Law

Well, if people are incapable of correctly interpreting Scripture, what makes anyone think those same people could correctly interpret the magisterium?


933 posted on 01/10/2013 5:36:18 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law; Iscool
While much is made in these threads of the "horrors" of the various Inquisitions by the "Ignorati" conspicuously absent in these discussions are the Protestant "Witch Trials" prevent throughout Protestant northern Europe from the 16th through the 19th centuries. Conservative estimates are that 60,000+ "witches" were tried and executed. That is 20 to 30 TIMES the numbers killed by the Inquisitions.

You wanna show a source for that, just so we will know you didn't make it up...

(Had to use it, iscool. It was good.)

934 posted on 01/10/2013 5:40:36 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law; metmom; Elsie

You kiddin me? Why do you think we don’t align ourselves with any organized “religion”? Where have you seen any of us defend some organized religion?


935 posted on 01/10/2013 5:45:12 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: terycarl
and the Catholic Church, Christ's church on Earth, gives sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, life to the dead. It is ONLY through the Catholic Church that you are exposed to the totality of what it means to be a Christian.

The Catholic church claiming to do the job of the Holy Spirit and Jesus.

Idolatry institutionalized.

You can partake of the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, and it is ONLY in the Catholic church that you can do so.

Chapter and verse?

936 posted on 01/10/2013 5:47:16 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: terycarl; Elsie
how on earth could you ever determine that God Almighty would allow His begotten Son to be housed in a soiled vessel?

To fully share in our humanity.

Mary didn't need to be sinless, just willing.

937 posted on 01/10/2013 5:49:30 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law; Iscool
To be deep in history Scripture is to cease to be Protestant Catholic - Blessed John Cardinal Newman - unknown FReeper
938 posted on 01/10/2013 5:52:09 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear; Natural Law
I think metmom would concur. You shouldn’t listen to us. Why is it do you think that we constantly encourage others to put down the RCC propaganda and simply read scripture while asking the Holy Spirit to guide them?

Yup.

And I've heard plenty of pastors tell their congregations to not just take what they say at face value to to compare what they are preaching and teaching with Scripture and to let them know if the people think that they (the pastors) are out of line.

939 posted on 01/10/2013 5:59:50 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law; CynicalBear
I know it is a common mistake amongst Protestants to believe that God and Scripture are completely interchangeable, but Catholics believe that the ultimate source of truth is God. That is not the same as Scripture.

When the RCC teaches that the pope can speak ex cathedra, they are saying that they believe that that is the ultimate source of truth from God. The Catholic church rejects the authority of Scripture and replaces it with the authority of a man.

And ironically, and hypocritically, the RCC which rejects the absolute authority of Scripture, turns around and quotes that very same Scripture as the very thing that confers the authority of the pope on him.

What hypocrisy!

I'll take my chances with Scripture, which was written down and has remained virtually unchanged for thousands of years because we can always go back to the oldest manuscripts over the fluid, constantly changing precepts of men that the Catholic church holds to.

940 posted on 01/10/2013 6:06:02 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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