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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

Bl. John Henry Newman said it best: “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” History paints an overwhelming picture of St. Peter’s apostolic ministry in Rome and this is confirmed by a multitude of different sources within the Early Church. Catholic Encyclopedia states, “In opposition to this distinct and unanimous testimony of early Christendom, some few Protestant historians have attempted in recent times to set aside the residence and death of Peter at Rome as legendary. These attempts have resulted in complete failure.” Protestantism as a whole seeks to divorce Christianity from history by rending Gospel message out of its historical context as captured by our Early Church Fathers. One such target of these heresies is to devalue St. Peter and to twist the authority of Rome into a historical mishap within Christianity. To wit, the belief has as its end the ultimate end of all Catholic and Protestant dialogue – who has authority in Christianity?

 

Why is it important to defend the tradition of St. Peter and Rome?
The importance of establishing St. Peter’s ministry in Rome may be boiled down to authority and more specifically the historic existence and continuance of the Office of Vicar held by St. Peter. To understand why St. Peter was important and what authority was given to him by Christ SPL has composed two lists – 10 Biblical Reasons Christ Founded the Papacy and 13 Reasons St. Peter Was the Prince of the Apostles.

The rest of the list is cited from the Catholic Encyclopedia on St. Peter and represents only a small fraction of the evidence set therein.

 

The Apostolic Primacy of St. Peter and Rome

It is an indisputably established historical fact that St. Peter laboured in Rome during the last portion of his life, and there ended his earthly course by martyrdom. As to the duration of his Apostolic activity in the Roman capital, the continuity or otherwise of his residence there, the details and success of his labours, and the chronology of his arrival and death, all these questions are uncertain, and can be solved only on hypotheses more or less well-founded. The essential fact is that Peter died at Rome: this constitutes the historical foundation of the claim of the Bishops of Rome to the Apostolic Primacy of Peter.

St. Peter’s residence and death in Rome are established beyond contention as historical facts by a series of distinct testimonies extending from the end of the first to the end of the second centuries, and issuing from several lands.

 

1. The Gospel of St. John

That the manner, and therefore the place of his death, must have been known in widely extended Christian circles at the end of the first century is clear from the remark introduced into the Gospel of St. John concerning Christ’s prophecy that Peter was bound to Him and would be led whither he would not — “And this he said, signifying by what death he should glorify God” (John 21:18-19, see above). Such a remark presupposes in the readers of the Fourth Gospel a knowledge of the death of Peter.

 

2. Salutations, from Babylon

St. Peter’s First Epistle was written almost undoubtedly from Rome, since the salutation at the end reads: “The church that is in Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you: and so doth my son Mark” (5:13). Babylon must here be identified with the Roman capital; since Babylon on the Euphrates, which lay in ruins, or New Babylon (Seleucia) on the Tigris, or the Egyptian Babylon near Memphis, or Jerusalem cannot be meant, the reference must be to Rome, the only city which is called Babylon elsewhere in ancient Christian literature (Revelation 17:5; 18:10; “Oracula Sibyl.”, V, verses 143 and 159, ed. Geffcken, Leipzig, 1902, 111).

 

3. Gospel of St. Mark

From Bishop Papias of Hierapolis and Clement of Alexandria, who both appeal to the testimony of the old presbyters (i.e., the disciples of the Apostles), we learn that Mark wrote his Gospel in Rome at the request of the Roman Christians, who desired a written memorial of the doctrine preached to them by St. Peter and his disciples (Eusebius, Church History II.15, 3.40, 6.14); this is confirmed by Irenaeus (Against Heresies 3.1). In connection with this information concerning the Gospel of St. Mark, Eusebius, relying perhaps on an earlier source, says that Peter described Rome figuratively as Babylon in his First Epistle.

 

4. Testimony of Pope St. Clement I

Another testimony concerning the martyrdom of Peter and Paul is supplied by Clement of Rome in his Epistle to the Corinthians (written about A.D. 95-97), wherein he says (chapter 5):

“Through zeal and cunning the greatest and most righteous supports [of the Church] have suffered persecution and been warred to death. Let us place before our eyes the good Apostles — St. Peter, who in consequence of unjust zeal, suffered not one or two, but numerous miseries, and, having thus given testimony (martyresas), has entered the merited place of glory”.

He then mentions Paul and a number of elect, who were assembled with the others and suffered martyrdom “among us” (en hemin, i.e., among the Romans, the meaning that the expression also bears in chapter 4). He is speaking undoubtedly, as the whole passage proves, of the Neronian persecution, and thus refers the martyrdom of Peter and Paul to that epoch.

 

5. Testimony of St. Ignatius of Antioch

In his letter written at the beginning of the second century (before 117), while being brought to Rome for martyrdom, the venerable Bishop Ignatius of Antioch endeavours by every means to restrain the Roman Christians from striving for his pardon, remarking: “I issue you no commands, like Peter and Paul: they were Apostles, while I am but a captive” (Epistle to the Romans 4). The meaning of this remark must be that the two Apostles laboured personally in Rome, and with Apostolic authority preached the Gospel there.

 

6. Taught in the Same Place in Italy

Bishop Dionysius of Corinth, in his letter to the Roman Church in the time of Pope Soter (165-74), says:

“You have therefore by your urgent exhortation bound close together the sowing of Peter and Paul at Rome and Corinth. For both planted the seed of the Gospel also in Corinth, and together instructed us, just as they likewise taught in the same place in Italy and at the same time suffered martyrdom” (in Eusebius, Church History II.25).

 

 

7. Rome: Founded by Sts. Peter and Paul

Irenaeus of Lyons, a native of Asia Minor and a disciple of Polycarp of Smyrna (a disciple of St. John), passed a considerable time in Rome shortly after the middle of the second century, and then proceeded to Lyons, where he became bishop in 177; he described the Roman Church as the most prominent and chief preserver of the Apostolic tradition, as “the greatest and most ancient church, known by all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul” (Against Heresies 3.3; cf. 3.1). He thus makes use of the universally known and recognized fact of the Apostolic activity of Peter and Paul in Rome, to find therein a proof from tradition against the heretics.

 

8. St. Peter Announced the Word of God in Rome

In his “Hypotyposes” (Eusebius, Church History IV.14), Clement of Alexandria, teacher in the catechetical school of that city from about 190, says on the strength of the tradition of the presbyters: “After Peter had announced the Word of God in Rome and preached the Gospel in the spirit of God, the multitude of hearers requested Mark, who had long accompanied Peter on all his journeys, to write down what the Apostles had preached to them” (see above).

 

9. Rome: Where Authority is Ever Within Reach

Like Irenaeus, Tertullian appeals, in his writings against heretics, to the proof afforded by the Apostolic labours of Peter and Paul in Rome of the truth of ecclesiastical tradition. In De Præscriptione 36, he says:

“If thou art near Italy, thou hast Rome where authority is ever within reach. How fortunate is this Church for which the Apostles have poured out their whole teaching with their blood, where Peter has emulated the Passion of the Lord, where Paul was crowned with the death of John.”

In Scorpiace 15, he also speaks of Peter’s crucifixion. “The budding faith Nero first made bloody in Rome. There Peter was girded by another, since he was bound to the cross”. As an illustration that it was immaterial with what water baptism is administered, he states in his book (On Baptism 5) that there is “no difference between that with which John baptized in the Jordan and that with which Peter baptized in the Tiber”; and against Marcion he appeals to the testimony of the Roman Christians, “to whom Peter and Paul have bequeathed the Gospel sealed with their blood” (Against Marcion 4.5).

 

10. Come to the Vatican and See for Yourself

The Roman, Caius, who lived in Rome in the time of Pope Zephyrinus (198-217), wrote in his “Dialogue with Proclus” (in Eusebius, Church History II.25) directed against the Montanists: “But I can show the trophies of the Apostles. If you care to go to the Vatican or to the road to Ostia, thou shalt find the trophies of those who have founded this Church”.

By the trophies (tropaia) Eusebius understands the graves of the Apostles, but his view is opposed by modern investigators who believe that the place of execution is meant. For our purpose it is immaterial which opinion is correct, as the testimony retains its full value in either case. At any rate the place of execution and burial of both were close together; St. Peter, who was executed on the Vatican, received also his burial there. Eusebius also refers to “the inscription of the names of Peter and Paul, which have been preserved to the present day on the burial-places there” (i.e. at Rome).

 

11. Ancient Epigraphic Memorial

There thus existed in Rome an ancient epigraphic memorial commemorating the death of the Apostles. The obscure notice in the Muratorian Fragment (“Lucas optime theofile conprindit quia sub praesentia eius singula gerebantur sicuti et semote passionem petri evidenter declarat”, ed. Preuschen, Tübingen, 1910, p. 29) also presupposes an ancient definite tradition concerning Peter’s death in Rome.

The apocryphal Acts of St. Peter and the Acts of Sts. Peter and Paul likewise belong to the series of testimonies of the death of the two Apostles in Rome.


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To: Natural Law
Peace be with you.

Mary's dead.

701 posted on 01/09/2013 3:03:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
That being said, your statement was asinine at best.

OOOOoooh!

You are touchy!

I said NOTHING about CATHOLICS!

702 posted on 01/09/2013 3:05:04 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
"on this rock I will build my church",

Still can't get it RIGHT; can you?

703 posted on 01/09/2013 3:05:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
That said, the absolute safest place on earth for children now to be is in the presence of Catholic clergy.

Ah...

the wonderful system of the RCC declares it to be so; and it IS!

704 posted on 01/09/2013 3:07:16 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl; Iscool
"you don't seem to understand the fact that they did not persevere means they they were not the chosen interpretations..."

Someone should ask ISCOOL how the Cathar and Albigenesian vernacular works differed from whatever version he now uses and, if he feels those variations are acceptable and defensible, does he support the distribution and reading of the Watchtower, the Book of Mormon and the Koran?

I would also like to see him answer why he accepts Hebrews as a part of the Bible and why the Shepherd of Hermes as excluded. (I don't really expect anything other than a rude obfuscation, though.)

Peace be with you

705 posted on 01/09/2013 3:08:09 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: boatbums
I did notice that you have avoided answering the false assertion that....

He avoids 'false assertions' like Dracula does; well; Holy Water...

707 posted on 01/09/2013 3:10:05 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
do you really think that these teachinge went from one area to another on E-mail???

Well; from what I've read in the Book...


It appears your ORAL stuff got trumped by WRITTEN stuff:


Acts 15

The Council at Jerusalem
 1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

 5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

 16 “‘After this I will return
   and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
   and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
   even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]
 18 things known from long ago.[c]

 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
 22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

   The apostles and elders, your brothers,

   To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

   Greetings.

 24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

   Farewell.

 30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

Disagreement Between Paul and Barnabas
 36 Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” 37 Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, 38 but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. 39 They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, 40 but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. 41 He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.
708 posted on 01/09/2013 3:13:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law

Perhaps we could pic at nits but the concept is the same. If someone has a written record which has been inspired by the Holy Spirit it would be fallacious to expect him to change his words to us and want us to listen to mortal man.


709 posted on 01/09/2013 3:13:35 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Elsie
"the wonderful system of the RCC declares it to be so; and it IS!"

More if the unfunny flippancy I referenced earlier. The current safe environment is the result of a great deal of hard work and diligence on the part of a lot of people. It is a standard that even your church should strive for.

Let me know if you want to participate in serious discussions or if you just want to remain the class clown. Either way is OK with me, but I don't want to waste anymore of my time reading or responding to your churlish posts.

Peace be with you.

710 posted on 01/09/2013 3:18:11 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: CynicalBear
"Perhaps we could pic at nits but the concept is the same."

Only if you know which Boos are inspired and which are not and without the Church you would not know that.

Peace be with you.

712 posted on 01/09/2013 3:24:49 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: boatbums
"Luther TRANSLATED the New Testament books from Greek INTO German (his native language). Why would it need to take more than a year to do that for someone who was fluent in Kione Greek and was already a religious scholar?"

That proves that Luther did no research, but rather used his "translation" as a monumental exercise in eisegesis.

As for removing books, there are 7 that he removed and several more that he wanted to remove. That is documented fact regardless of the "spin" you are applying ex post facto to the deed.

Peace be with you

713 posted on 01/09/2013 3:29:34 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
>> First, I hope your posts amuse you<<

I kind of get a kick out of them also.

>> only flippant, condescending and disrespectful.<<

ROFL Now that right there is funny I don’t care who ya’re.

>> because I really do not care what you do or do not choose to believe.<<

Yet here you are, day after day ridiculing those who don’t follow the RCC. Interesting that.

714 posted on 01/09/2013 3:30:49 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Natural Law; metmom
>>"Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."- Matthew 18:18<<

Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.

Besides, even the apostles were never referred to as priests.

715 posted on 01/09/2013 3:32:56 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Elsie; metmom; Cronos; Religion Moderator
"MOM; did you ever get an apology?"

No, because I do not believe and have no reason to believe metmon's version of events.

Remind me again what the rules are about draggging issues from thread to thread.

716 posted on 01/09/2013 3:34:35 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: CynicalBear
"Besides, even the apostles were never referred to as priests."

Only because they were Catholic bishops.

Peace be with you

717 posted on 01/09/2013 3:37:11 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Elsie
And yet, when others refer to scripture and find that ROME has some ORAL stuff that ain't there, and they DON'T 'believe' it; you guys get all huffy

The entire new testament is based on oral tradition...do you really think that these teachinge went from one area to another on E-mail??? One group would accept the teachings of Paul, another might say "hey, he's not scriptural so let's ignore him"....it worked exactly that way which is why oral tradition is a very important part of Catholicism....everything was not written down as it happened, but was later gathered and interpreted, and written, and now you have the bible!!! Say Thanks Catholics!!!!

718 posted on 01/09/2013 3:37:25 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Natural Law; Elsie
>> A harmonized reading of all three shows that Jesus was not referring to St. Peter as the devil.<<

Matt 16:23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan (Satana)! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men." Satana
Definition: an adversary, Satan.

Now lets look at what other word Jesus could have used.

Antidikos
Short Definition: an opponent, adversary

But he didn’t use a different word for “adversary” or any other word He could have used to indicate what He meant. He used the same word He used when addressing Satan himself.

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan (Satana)! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.”

Interesting that!

719 posted on 01/09/2013 3:51:28 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Elsie
The wonderful system that produces bad popes produces NO bad theology

Congratulations...you got it right, The church is protected, by Christ Himself, against error in matters of faith and morals....a bad pope was indeed a bad person, but uttered NOTHING that defied church teachings...ever...

720 posted on 01/09/2013 3:57:17 PM PST by terycarl
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