11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome

stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

[Cronos]

A person can become a follower of Christ, yes. They should believe that Jesus Christ is fully man and fully God, part of the Godhead, the ONE God, who came to save us. We are saved by His sacrifice, by the grace of God alone.

[Elsie]

daniel, do you have those stats on had about Catholics and priests views on contraception and abortion?

If ya stay with BOYS, then neither of those are a problem...

[Cronos]

Metmom: The simplicity of the gospel can be summed up in a few verses....
Acts 16:30-31 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

and Romans

metmom --> your first error is in calling these the Gospels. While they are inspired, they are the epistles of Paul, not the Gospels. Paul elaborates on the message of the gospel, focusing on one "area" at a time, while the Gospels, the words of Jesus Christ Himself are highly concentrated data

What does Jesus say saves us?

• Matt. 24:13

  13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

• Matt 25:31-46 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
  35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
  36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Jesus says that if you endure to the end you get salvation, that if you helped your fellow man you inherit the kingdom of God (you get salvation) --> note these are HIS own words

Jesus said it is not faith ALONE. We are saved by God's GRACE. Full-stop.

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. -- it's never faith ALONE. Note that

1. He who believes and is baptized will be saved. (Mk 16:16)
2. [U]nless you repent you will all likewise perish. (Lk 13:3)<,li> [H]e who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. (Jn 6:54)

no one is denying that one MUST have faith to be saved by the freely given grace of salvation, however, it is not faith ALONE. As shown above, Jesus Himself said that

He who believes and is baptized will be saved. (Mk 16:16)
[U]nless you repent you will all likewise perish. (Lk 13:3
[H]e who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. (Jn 6:54)

So, do listen to the words of Jesus who said it is faith+ repentance+baptism+the Eucharist+endurance, not any of these in isolation. Of course, these don't "save us" per se, since it is Christ's sacrifice on the Cross that grants us our salvation that we can accept or reject

The problem happens when one takes one section of the word in isolation.

[Cronos]

And, note that if you take Acts Acts 16:30-31 you should also refer to

1. 1 Pet. 3:20-21: " It (Baptism )saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"

2. Note that in Acts 16:31 we are told to believe and you will be saved -- so Faith is definitely one of the things needed, yet as you see above and in my previous post, it is not ONLY faith. Remember -- James says "even the demons believe - and shudder" -- it is not faith ALONE that saves

[Elsie]

No "game" - you'd have us believe that when Christ said, "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church" the two clauses had nothing to do with each other, so the burden is on you to say why Christ included the first clause.

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Matthew 16:13-18

13. When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
14. They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
15. "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
16. Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17. Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
18. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

19. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

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I see your problem: you must think there is ONLY the one verse that matters.

Taking things out of context has that effect.

It's not that the two CLAUSES are linked, but that two VERSES are.

[Elsie]

.....noone denies that!

What is wrong with a SYSTEM that ALLOWS such evil people to lead it?

[Elsie]

Why is that?

Had to take some time out for spouse beatings...

[Elsie]

there were many false “scripture” interpretations around at the time.

So THAT is where the SINLESSNESS of MAry started!

And her ASSUMPTION as well?

[Elsie]

...he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion.”

Ah....

Good ol' guilty 'til proven innocent: the basis for Western civilization.

[Elsie]

\there are people on this and other threads who insist that you are automatically saved if you are born again....you are not.

9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.

10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

[Elsie]

Who should we believe? The gospel according to you or to Luke?

Who should we believe? The gospel according to RCC or to Luke?

[Elsie]

Did Christ teach Saul/Paul personally, other than knocking him down with a bright light, and asking Saul why he was persecuting Him?

If PETER had been any kind of POPE at all; then HE would have sought Saul/Paul out and assigned him his mission statement.

[Elsie]

What will it take for you to stop posting this nonsense?

Catholic only nonsense will STILL be flowing from Rome until the Lord comes.

THEN all of us bleating, ovine creatures will get separated; with no doubt very many saying, "Whaddya mean I'm a GOAT?"

[Cronos]

makes salvation too complicated. Too many hoops to jump through. Too many do's and don't's.

Actually, note by the above that Jesus Christ Himself says that we must repent, believe, be baptised, eat of His body and blood.

Salvation is given freely, yet to accept it is not to just mumble "Lord, Lord" -- refer to James 2:17

If one does not believe, one does not receive the freely given grace -- Mk 6:16. If one does not repent, same thing. Same thing with not enduring to the end etc. etc. -- These are Jesus' own words

Note that our God is not a God of "Or" -- this or this, but AND -- baptism AND repentence AND faith AND etc. -- the problem is when one takes only St. Paul's one verse and ignore the entire statement -- Paul elaborates on each statement, each of the AND gates put forth by Christ.

[Elsie]

...what ensures the ongoing inerrancy of His Church.

That's worked out well...

[Elsie]

That position is not supported by historical fact.

Where's YOUR facts?

[Elsie]

An appeal to authority is only effective when the authority is universally accepted.

[Elsie]

Presenting a Protestant academic as an authoritative source in contravention to Catholic teaching and expecting Catholics to accept it is a fools errand.

While...

Presenting a Catholic pope as an authoritative source in contravention to BIBLICAL teaching and expecting rational people to accept it is a fools errand.

[Elsie]

Tell me what he said that you consider “contravention to Catholic teaching”.

Good luck!

NL rushes to judgement and then fails to either back up with evidence or fails to admit error.

[Elsie]

...and defensive as in “You’re deluded.”

You STILL tryin' this?

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