11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome

stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

[Cronos]

didn’t you used to say Inshallah?

[Iscool]

if christians who are not Catholics are not protestants....what are they???

Waldensians, Nestorians, Donatists, and on and on and on...Just because your false religion labeled them as heretics doesn't mean there's an ounce of truth to it...

Your religion tried to kill them all off but quite a few survived and flourished...

Those Christians were around long before there was a Protestant Reformation by truth seeking Catholics...

[Iscool]

One time I asked a Catholic lady if she was a Christian

She said, “no, I am a Catholic”

Most of 'em would say that 40 years ago...

[Cronos]

sorry Svcw, but Hebrews 13:17 does not refer to government -- it says Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit to them: for they watch in behalf of your souls, as they that shall give account

_- I don't think the gubmint watches on behalf of our souls :)

[Iscool]

didn’t you used to say Inshallah?

What does it mean???

[Cronos]

The Church holds that, just as with the ancient Israelites, we are all a "nation of priests" and just as the ancient Israelites had ministerial priests set aside (Levites), so too do we have in the Church

The same structure -- with the difference that the High Priest is eternal Jesus Christ who is present at each Eucharist, each Mass

the Israelites abdicated their role as a “nation of priests” with their little foray into gold-calf making. -- sorry, that doesn't hold as we read in Exodus 16 how Aaron and Moses preach to the Israelites

Even in Exodus 19 with the pronouncement of you[a] will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ -- these come from God through Moses and in Exodus 19:22 you read And let the priests also, which come near to the Lord, sanctify themselves, lest the Lord break forth upon them.

This was before Moses went up into Mt. Sinai

during the Eucharist, Christ IS present as the High Priest

Christ is the High Priest and we are all His priestly nation -- whether lay priests or ministerial priests

The High Priest, Jesus Christ is the High Priest and the one-time Sacrifice -- note, this is a participation in the One-Time sacrifice famously captured by Van Eyck in the 14th century painting

We are participating in Christ's one-time sacrifice which as seen in the words of the Apocalypse of St. John of Patmos, as seen in Heaven is the Lamb standing proudly with the blood of Christ in the Eucharist

NOTE: the English term "priest" is simply a contraction of the Greek word presbuteros (presbyster/elder) -- these have the responsibility of teaching, governing, and providing the sacraments in a given congregation (1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15).

[Cronos]

you are correct about not using the "P" word -- I agree with syncro, Rash, there are various non-Catholic Christians and the term "Protestant" is anachronistic

"protestant" was for the initial group of Churches that broke away, but that was the first and second generation of non-Catholic denominations: Lutherans, Anglicans and Presbyterians

subsequent generations were breakers away from this initial bunc

There are new directions being found, new interpretations everyday.

Each new bunch of Reformatters reformats the old.

1. You have the first generation namely Lutheran sticking close to orthodoxy with the Lutherans holding to the True Presence in the Eucharist, to Baptismal regeneration etc.
2. Generation 2: Then you have the Calvin-Zwingli crowd rejecting these two as well as other aspects of orthodoxy
3. Generation 3: Knox and the Anglican compromise
4. Generation 4: The Unitarians like Michael Servetus who went from being Catholic to Lutheran to Reformed to denying the Trinity.
5. Generation 5: the Baptists who now rejected infant baptism (quite unlike their namesakes the Anabaptists (now called Mennonites)) and said that there was a great Apostasy in the first centuries of Christendom (Gen 1-3 took later centuries as the dates of their "Great Apostasy")
6. Generation 6: the Restorationists at the Great Awakening, like
   
   • The Millerites, to become the Seventh DayAdventists -- with Ellen G White saying that Jesus was the same as the Archangel Michael and that Satan woudl take the sins of the world at the end of time and other beauties. They came up with their own version of the Bible
   • The Unitarians and Universalists -- reborn and reinvigorated by this reformatting, they tossed out the Trinity and eventually they end up as they are today where they believe in nothing
   • Jehovah's Witnesses: they tossed out the Trinity too and came up with their own version of the Bible
   • The Mormons: they took the Trinity and made it three gods. They too came up with their own version of the Bible
7. Generation 7: the Orthodo Presbyterian C, the FourSquare Ahoy! Pentecostalists, the Raelians, the Branch Davidians, the Creflo-Dollar crowd, the Jesse Dupantis (I went to visit Jesus in heaven and comforted Him) etc -- one step further beyond generation 6
8. Generation 8: ... any one of the thousands of new sects formed since 1990

Now most of these one can't call "Protestant" -- many, like the Mormons etc, one can't call Christian even

On this very thread you'll have cynical posters who believe in gap theory and how there was a previous world before this etc. and there are cool as cucumber Modalists who say that the Trinity is false and there are Jehovah's Witnesses counting their posts and Word of Faith crowds and Prosperity gospel folks and Swedenborgians and "Messianic Jews" and every stream from Arianism to whatever

We can't call them Protestant or even one particular denomination as many have a mish-mash of beliefs

[Cronos]

it’s just that many of those born-again groups are, well, Jesse Duplantis - it’s a bit difficult to hold with him, right?

[Cronos]

editor; Yeshua humorously called Peter “hard pebble,” a name that he had been called all of his life because it was the nature of his personality.

"all of his life" -- really, you know that hidden knowledge that the rest of humanity didn't know? Where did you find the evidence that he was called that "all of his life"?

[Cronos]

editor; Yeshua humorously called Peter “hard pebble,” a name that he had been called all of his life because it was the nature of his personality.

"all of his life" -- really, you know that hidden knowledge that the rest of humanity didn't know? Where did you find the evidence that he was called that "all of his life"?

and, "hard pebble" -- where do you keep coming up with so many errors? over and over again

Petros in Koine Greek (which is the greek of the time of Christ and the greek of the New Testament) was a synonym of Petra

Only in ancient (500 BC + ) Greek was petros meaning "small rock"

In Koine Greek pebble is translated as "lithos"

[editor-surveyor]

You’re deluded.

The evidence is textual, and contained in the corrupted Greek copies of the originally Hebrew gospels, and is absolutely undeniable, as I have already pointed out to you.

Cling to your fantasy, since it shores up the lies that you choose to believe. I enjoy the truth that is finally escaping through the rusty armor of Mystery Babylon.

[Cronos]

robby: Constantine’s choosing to make .. the state religion:

Robby, you are wrong, Constantine just in 313 with the Edict of Milan made the Empire religion neutral

his predecessor Galerius ended the persecutions of Christians in 311

And it was only Theodosius I, Flavius Theodosius Augustus who, on 27 February 380 declared the Catholic Church the only legitimate Imperial religion

It is our desire that all the various nation which are subject to our clemency and moderation, should continue to the profession of that religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter, as it has been preserved by faithful tradition and which is now professed by the Pontiff Damasus and by Peter, Bishop of Alexandria, a man of apostolic holiness. According to the apostolic teaching and the doctrine of the Gospel, let us believe in the one diety of the father, Son and Holy Spirit, in equal majesty and in a holy Trinity. We authorize the followers of this law to assume the title Catholic Christians;

So, this wasn't Constantine

[Cronos]

And, editor, you are wrong, this later authorisation by the imperator had everything to do with Yeshua's church -- as it said According to the apostolic teaching and the doctrine of the Gospel, let us believe in the one diety of the father, Son and Holy Spirit, in equal majesty and in a holy Trinity. We authorize the followers of this law to assume the title Catholic Christians;

[Cronos]

tsk, tsk. editor — you should debate, not quit with statements “You’re deluded.”

[Cronos]

editor I enjoy the truth that is .. the rusty armor of Mystery Babylon.

That is evident

Why not give up fake stories like the NT written only in Hebrew and come to Christ?

btw, your statement /One thing that is absolutely certain at this point is that the original language of the gospels was Hebrew, not Greek. is the one with no evidence

Read the archaeological evidence for this and the historical evidence

The language of the people of Palestine shifted from Hebrew to Aramaic sometime between 721-500 B.C. Therefore, we know that Jesus, his disciples and contemporaries spoke and wrote in Aramaic. The message of Christianity spread throughout Palestine, Syria and Mesopotamia in this Semitic tongue.

Use of the Aramaic language had become common by the period of the Chaldean Empire (626-539 B.C.). It became the official language of the Imperial government in Mesopotamia and enjoyed general use until the spread of Greek (331 B.C.). Although Greek had spread throughout these Eastern lands, Aramaic remained dominant and the linqua franca of the Semitic peoples. This continued to be so until Aramaic was superseded by a sister Semitic tongue, Arabic, about the 13th century A.D. to the 14th century A.D., when Arabic supplanted Aramaic after the Arab conquest in the 7th Century. However, the Christians of Mesopotamia (Iraq), Iran, Syria, Turkey and Lebanon kept the Aramaic language alive domestically, scholastically and liturgically. In spite of the pressure of the ruling Arabs to speak Arabic, Aramaic is still spoken today in its many dialects, especially among the Chaldeans and Assyrians.

The proof is in the language of the ancient Christians in Israel, Syria, Lebanon and Chaldea -- what is the theological language? Not Hebrew but Aramaic

in the Greek New testamtne the words used are mostly Aramaic, not Hebrew

example: Matthew 27:46 eli eli lema sabachthani is ARAMAIC, not Hebrew as in Psalm 22:1 ‘eli ‘eli lama ‘azavtani

If you want to debate with proof rather than lame statements, do so

[Cronos]

editor The evidence is textual, and contained in the corrupted Greek copies of the originally Hebrew gospels, and is absolutely undeniable, as I have already pointed out to you.

undeniable only to you but to no-one else.

and you haven't actually given any proof, just your own statements ---> in the Greek New testamtne the words used are mostly Aramaic, not Hebrew

example: Matthew 27:46 eli eli lema sabachthani is ARAMAIC, not Hebrew as in Psalm 22:1 ‘eli ‘eli lama ‘azavtani

If you want to debate with proof rather than lame statements, do so

[Cronos]

editor I enjoy... Mystery Babylon

well, I guess you may, but your "facts" are utterly wrong, like the editor: Christmas is not the celebration of the Birth of the Living Christ. It is the celebration of the birth of Tammuz/Zeus/Jupiter/Mythra/Apollo/Constantine.

Cronos: Interesting, e-s, can’t you make up your mind? Is is Tammuz or Zeus or Apollo or Constantine?”

editor: Its all the same

Err.. no, it's not "all the same" -- Zeus was a Greek god and Jupiter was the Romaoi equivalent, while Mithra was a Persian god with no equivalent in the Graeco-Roman pantheon and was an outcrop of Zoroastrianism

Tammuz was a Sumerian god, completely unrelated to those above Indo-European gods

And Constantine was an Emperor, not even a deified Emperor like the ones from Octavian onwards

And, do you know what you are talking about? Zeus didn't have a "birthday" -- there was no birthday celebration for Zeus or Jupiter

Constantine was born on 27th FEBRUARY

and Tammuz had the month Tammuz named after him which was a summer month -- in Arabic it corresponds to the month of July....

[CynicalBear]

So much more RCC drivel being trotted out. Trying to carry over the Old Testament meaning of priest to the New Testament church. That doesn’t happen in God’s word. Trying to impose the word priest on the word presbutero (elder) contradicting God’s word and doesn’t work with those of us who don’t rely on the RCC but on scripture and God’s word itself. Catholics need to understand that the veil has been torn and what that means. Until they do the RCC will always be able to bamboozle them.