Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer
Oh; kinda like your popes; eh?
Oh?
Why?
That depends upon the capacity in which they speak. When speaking ex cathedra, from the chair of St. Peter, it is the Holy Spirit speaking infallibly through them. In all other instances Popes are fallible.
Peace be with you
I am getting tired of some of the things being posted on this thread.
I’m not the right person to be responding, because I am nothing but the Lord’s “anawim”. I am not a Catholic scholar, or theologian, or apologist; however I am grateful to God for those who are.
But I have been reading along here and even though I’m just Jane Doe Catholic, I can’t ignore the stirring in me that tells me to respond to some of it.
Because my day is jammed-—(my daughter and her husband have come to help me get my yard cleaned up,) I will be doing my responses in bits and pieces. So be it.
My parish church was built not only with funds raised by our parishioners, but a lot of it was built by people in the parish who were carpenters. painters, contractors, etc. My parish church seats 600, and is exceptionally beautiful. It was built with love, by love for Love. It is beauty for Goodness, Truth and Beauty itself.
EVERY DAY our parish “Food Pantry” is open from 10 AM to 4 PM. We feed up to 250 needy families within our parish boundaries every week. We NEVER ask what faith they profess when they come for food. Our supplies for this serving of the needy comes from the tithes of our parishioners, and it’s maintained by people who volunteer their time.
Sometimes, the broad brush approach used to described “ordinary, every-day” Catholics is almost absurd.
In our present day American culture, if someone were to denigrate or hold in contempt the black community, they would be called racist. What should we call those people who do the same broad brush derogation of Catholics: “Catholists”?
I guess this leaves no room except for unfit or stupid...
I will ask again. Why would a so called good Freeper stir up a hornets nest like this? Arguing among Protestants and Catholics is pointless.
See post #1650
I don't know who made up that kind of unscriptural nonsense and under what circumstances, but I want some of whatever they were on next time I am in the hospital.
What an appalling misunderstanding of the role and function of the Holy Spirit in this world.
For your edification. Learn from Scripture what the Holy Spirit does in this world and our lives.
John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
John 16:7-11 7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.
Titus 3:4-7 4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Hebrews 2:2-4 2 For since the message declared by angels proved to be reliable, and every transgression or disobedience received a just retribution, 3 how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was declared at first by the Lord, and it was attested to us by those who heard, 4 while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.
1 Peter 1:12 It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the good news to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.
2 Peter 1:21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
And Romans 8.
And well it should be, as Mary can be prayed to and grant salvation without any help from Jesus.
Look it up, it is in Catholic proclamations--even from Popes.
It would be difficult for an Catholic to convince any Christian that something made from precious metals, marble etc etc is any where near as beautiful on one of God's human creations.
But they have created something material that is 'as beautiful as' Mary was.
Not was, is.
She is in the spirit world granting prayer requests and doling out salvation.
You have posted that St Francis doctrine to me before. I had some questions which you did not answer.
That was answer good enough, no answer speaks volumes.
Scripture does not support the conception of Jesus at mass over and over again. That's just outrageous.
I don't disagree that Mary made the Catholic church.
But not the Christian church. The one that is the body of Christ. Made of of every precious soul that has been born again, saved, and has that personal relationship with Jesus.
Brings to mind how many do not know God but supposedly do things in his Name.
"For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power."
And Paul teaching..
"My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power."
PRAISE GOD for HIS Written WORD, the Final Authority- what satan/the gates of hell wanted to keep captive. Thank YOU, JESUS!
Catholics believe that Christ is God....and He set in place the Catholic Church to further profess his word....worked well, don't you think???....its lasted for 2,013 years!!
nothing concerning faith and morals is accepted from these men....they certainly did the day by day running of the Vatican, but none of them spoke with the authority "from the chair of Peter"....because Bill Clinton had a sexual relationship with Monica doesn't make him a bad president but points out that he is a human subject to human frailties.....there were plenty of other things that made him a below aaverage president!!
yes, I mean the church as it exists today....and it the EXACT same church that Jesus founded on the Apostles...
Wait.... What????
Aren't you the same terycarl who posted this in post 2211?
Syncro:I'm sure there is a trick definition of "faith and moral" that makes all of that OK.
tc: you really can't discern between personal behavior and teaching from the chair of Peter????? pathetic....
Will you make up your mind?
Just to clarify....
Do you mean as the church is revealed in the book of Acts?
nothing hypocritical at all...the eastern rite Catholics and the Roman Catholics are in agreement with all dogmas and teachings of Catholicism....there is, however, a disagreement on who is the titular head of the entire Catholic church....this will be straightened out someday, but the basic teachings of ALL Catholic churches, eastern and western, are the same.
you do realize, of course, that he was addressing only Catholics here....there weren't any other Christians.
Now why is it that Catholics always go with the works based salvation thing?
Are you accusing another FReeper of posting while under the influence in violation of Forum rules and protocols?
For your edification, when you begin with the premise that the Holy Spirit does not and cannot work through His Church you nullify any truth that come from your following conclusion statement.
Peace be with you
No. Reread the post.
It begins with "I don't know..."
Does someone else know that I missed out on?
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