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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

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To: terycarl
"the church has never denied that she has has some bad eggs in the carton...."

We know that there are no perfect eggs in that carton either. That is what is meant by treasures in earthen vessels and that is why the Popes and Magisterium have the Paraclete to guide them.

That Protestants expect the Catholic Clergy to be something more than flawed humans shows the level of subliminal esteem they hold the Church that they cannot completely suppress.

Peace be with you

1,761 posted on 01/16/2013 3:19:59 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: presently no screen name
they are probably laying on POOP! Here they are sitting in their 'pew'

your intellectual level is on display......

1,762 posted on 01/16/2013 3:24:46 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Elsie
Who would like a tour of my 4 goats dwelling area?

I saw the pictures of your goat barn....My father would have more than a little upset with me if our geat barn was EVER in that condition....you could have at least cleaned it before you pictured it. Barns and stables should be clean, fresh straw for the animals to lie on, manure removed at Least daily...I assume that you produce goat milk....to be consumed by humans......Uhhhhh

1,763 posted on 01/16/2013 3:43:10 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Natural Law; metmom
>> Catholic teaching Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition are complementary and synergistic, together forming the Truth.<<

I’m still looking for the synergy of Mary’s assumption with scripture. Can you help?

1,764 posted on 01/16/2013 3:47:35 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Elsie

We have you beat by 32 chickens, 1 duck, and two turkeys. You have us on goats........so far.


1,765 posted on 01/16/2013 3:48:17 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: terycarl; Elsie
>>Didn't James say something about faith without works is basically meaningless??<<

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29

1,766 posted on 01/16/2013 3:51:49 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
"I’m still looking for the synergy of Mary’s assumption with scripture. Can you help?"

Almost daily I see Protestant threads and posting affirming the doctrine of the Rapture. How is Mary's Assumption not Rapture?

1,767 posted on 01/16/2013 3:54:25 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: terycarl; metmom
>>Barns and stables house baby animals which are as susceptible to germs as are baby humans. Farmers are VERY careful to keep their facilities as clean as humanly possible.<<

ROFLOL!!!!! You obviously haven’t been on some of the farms I have been on.

1,768 posted on 01/16/2013 3:54:37 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: terycarl
"I saw the pictures of your goat barn..."

Aside from the hygienic detractions I saw the perfect examples of the kind of manger (stall or pen) I referred to in my post #1716. I guess it is hard to recognize something that is right under your nose if you have to keep your nose pinched.

Peace and blessings

1,769 posted on 01/16/2013 4:00:31 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
>> How is Mary's Assumption not Rapture?<<

Not scriptural. So there is no “synergy” with scripture and Mary’s assumption?

1,770 posted on 01/16/2013 4:01:15 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
"Not scriptural."

So you agree with the Catholic Church that Rapture is not Scriptural, good. You have begin the journey home.

Peace be with you.

1,771 posted on 01/16/2013 4:08:35 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
>>So you agree with the Catholic Church that Rapture is not Scriptural, good.<<

That seems to be a Catholic problem. Injecting a meaning that they know is not there. I suppose like minds.

1,772 posted on 01/16/2013 4:39:23 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear; terycarl

We live in dairy farm country and it gives a new meaning to *country fresh air*.

Clean as humanly possible?

I suppose that that could true to some extent, but what is humanly possible in regards to keeping any farm clean is well, not impressive.

Animals are dirty.

Mary probably picked the manger to lay Jesus in because it was the cleanest place available in a barn or stable.


1,773 posted on 01/16/2013 5:17:18 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law

Scripture says that Mary laid Jesus in a manger because there was no room for them in the inn.

Now, unless she gave birth out in the open, or in public, she did it in a stable or barn, and I’d say it’s a pretty good bet that she did not give birth IN the manger, so it had to have been on the floor.

Not pristine.


1,774 posted on 01/16/2013 5:22:42 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law
You are not the first to deny freewill, nor will you be the last.

WHO do you know that has deny free will? And then SHOW ME where I denied it.

A few chose God and many chose man. So you won't be the last to make the wrong choice.

"This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live".

I hear and obey God only - I choose life.

Those who choose death - choose curses as they put man before GOD and/or even imply they are equal. Either God's Word is the FINAL authority or man's is. Catholics, Mormons, Muslim chose man/curses. They aren't the first nor last to chose wrongly. They need to humble themselves TODAY, tomorrow is not promised to anyone.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For WIDE is the gate and broad is the road that leads to DESTRUCTION, and MANY enter through it."

"But small is the gate and NARROW the road that leads to LIFE, and only a FEW find it."

1,775 posted on 01/16/2013 5:28:15 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: metmom
"Mary probably picked the manger to lay Jesus in because it was the cleanest place available in a barn or stable."

It wasn't a barn or a stable. It was a portion of a house, probably similar to a modern lean-to that would be used to keep young animals at night, the Passover lamb for the three days before its sacrifice and be available to rent during the high holy days when the population of the area grew 4X. We know it was in a house because Matthew 2:11 says of the Wise Men; "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother..."

Peace be with you

1,776 posted on 01/16/2013 5:30:08 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law; metmom
We have a manger in our church basement and there are no farm animals there.

Are they doing it as a 'remembrance'? Why not REAL animals?

Ironically, in Orthodox Jewish homes this was the place the Paschal lamb was kept from the 10th of Nisan until the 14th of Nisan.

Ironically, Constantine changed the calendar and inserted Easter and got rid of The Passover. As usual, 'man' thinks he has a better way even down to creating their own bible.

1,777 posted on 01/16/2013 5:41:08 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Natural Law

It doesn’t say how old Jesus was at that point.

Don’t forget that Herod had all the boys two years old and younger killed based on the time the wise men gave for His birth.

Mary and Joseph could easily have gone back home after the census, when Mary had recovered enough to travel.

If they were at home, she would not have laid Him in a manger. I have no doubt that a carpenter would have been perfectly capable of building a cradle for a baby. They did know how to count in those days so they’d know when to expect the baby.


1,778 posted on 01/16/2013 6:13:12 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: terycarl
they're just people

Hold that thought...

1,779 posted on 01/16/2013 6:42:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl

I’ve heard that goats can be house broken; but mine are so stubborn I don’t think I’d have the patience for that.

Luckily; their poop is just damp pellets; not all runny and messy like a cow’s.


1,780 posted on 01/16/2013 6:45:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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