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To: annalex; BlueDragon
No, a pastor can be called many things denoting his fiunction, but πρεσβυτερος" in the Timothys and Titus does Not refer to priest, except as part of the general priesthood of all believers, and nowhere as a separate sacerdotal priesthood. The Holy Spirit uses a word for those who are ordained as priests and formally called so, and nowhere are the NT pastors referred to as such, Those are the facts, and no amount of your tactical use of scorn will change it.
519 posted on 12/11/2012 5:06:17 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; BlueDragon
a pastor can be called many things denoting his fiunction, but πρεσβυτερος" in the Timothys and Titus does Not refer to priest, except as part of the general priesthood of all believers, and nowhere as a separate sacerdotal priesthood

Not so; in James 5:15 πρεσβυτερους της εκκλησιας are called annointing the sick; in Acts 20:17 St. Paul μετεκαλεσατο τους πρεσβυτερους της εκκλησιας; in 1 Timothy 4:14 we see that priesthood carried a special grace and that ordainment of a priest is a memorable event "μη αμελει του εν σοι χαρισματος ο εδοθη σοι δια προφητειας μετα επιθεσεως των χειρων του πρεσβυτεριου"; in Titus 1:5 Titus is instructed to "καταστησης κατα πολιν πρεσβυτερους". All these are usages, often further defined as "priests of the church", that do not apply to non-clerical roles. Other usages at least point to the select status of priests, such as "ο πρεσβυτερος γαιω τω αγαπητω" (3 John 1:1) points to priests being assigned to lay folks, themselves Christian; in 1 Timothey 5:19 priests are said to have a certain legal privilege.

525 posted on 12/11/2012 5:26:59 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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