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To: CynicalBear
All those actions are the result of salvation not the cause of it

They are not a mechanical result, like heat causing sweat or wine causing cheerfulness. If you choose to do these works, your have authentic faith, and if you don't you don't (James 2:17-26). Your quotes, if they refer to faith at all refer to that kind of well-formed faith. John 5, for example, goes on to say

And they that have done good things, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; but they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment (John 5:29)

Jesus would not have said 5:24 (which you quote) and 5:29 (which you seem unaware of) in the same lesson if He meant truncated Protestant faith in the first quote.

Your other quotes speak of sanctification, -- which is precisely the process of growing in faith through choosing good works.

If you don't understand this you don't understand the scripture. Seeing that you keep posting them as if they prove your point indicates that you probably do not understand them.

3,906 posted on 01/02/2013 5:40:24 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
John 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

John 3:14-18 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. 16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

John 5:24 24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:28-29 28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

John 6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 7:38 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”

John 11:25-26 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

3,913 posted on 01/02/2013 6:02:34 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: annalex

Comment on john 6:28-29


3,919 posted on 01/02/2013 7:46:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
>> They are not a mechanical result,<<

No one said they were “mechanical”. If a person doesn’t understand the transformation that occurs when one is born again they can’t possibly understand where the change comes from. Trying to “take credit” for actions through some sort of “free will” rather than give credit to God for transforming us into “a new creation” is totally carnal thinking.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

The attitude that seems to be prevalent of “I have to do my part” is against all things that are taught in scripture. It’s tantamount to taking credit for what God did.

Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

>> If you choose to do these works,<<

There’s that sanctimonious “you choose” again. As if we in our fallen state can “choose” to obey God. Notice the use of the word “of” in the following verses.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

It’s now “our” faith that we rely on. It is the faith of Christ which is in us. To think otherwise is folly.

>> and 5:29 (which you seem unaware of)<<

Oh I am quite aware. Those who have done evil would include those who have taken credit away from God for what He has done in us by claiming it was they who could “choose” to do good contrary to what scripture teaches.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God who works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Take credit for yourself if you choose but I will give credit and glory to God who works through me. “It is not I who lives but Christ lives in me”.

If you don't understand this you don't understand the scripture.

3,921 posted on 01/02/2013 7:48:56 AM PST by CynicalBear
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