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To: PeevedPatriot; boatbums; RnMomof7; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; caww; ...

Pinging a couple other Catholics who really did (do) know their Catholic doctrine.

The problem isn’t the Catholics posting a response to actual lies about the Catholic church.

What has happened is that virtually all of the former Catholics have posted what they were taught, raised by the Catholic church to believe, and what they have seen in practice, and that’s where the knee jerk reaction comes in from the Catholics.

The Catholics attempt at refuting it is to accuse us of being poorly catechized, and yet some of those they accuse of that have TAUGHT Catechism classes. Additionally, many of us report the same teaching that Catholics say are lies about the RCC, and yet, until we met on FR, we never knew each other. We come from a geographically diverse experience and yet report the same things.

Now honestly, if that many people from all different areas report having the same teachings, what would you consider the reason to be? That the RCC taught it wrong, or that everyone just happened to learn it all wrong the same way?

One would think the odds of everyone all getting the same things wrong in the same way to be astronomical, but it never seems to occur to them that the RCC is the problem. No, we all just happened to misunderstand it all in the same way. Really?

They just cannot bring themselves to admit the RCC might be wrong.


184 posted on 12/09/2012 8:21:27 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Sorry, mm, but the Catholic Church is right. What are you going to tell Jesus when you meet him at the moment of your death? Are you going to tell him that you didn’t accept his mother as a holy person?


186 posted on 12/09/2012 8:41:14 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: metmom; PeevedPatriot; boatbums; RnMomof7; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; ...
The Catholics attempt at refuting it is to accuse us of being poorly catechized

I agree with you that one cannot summarily accuse former Catholics of ignorance. It should depend on the post and specific instance of ignorance. This being said, I see plenty of it.

245 posted on 12/10/2012 5:23:31 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: metmom
The Catholics attempt at refuting it is to accuse us of being poorly catechized, and yet some of those they accuse of that have TAUGHT Catechism classes.

With all due respect, holding a position as catechist doesn't insure adherence to the magisterium's teaching. Unfortunately. I know firsthand of a catechist who's taught things directly opposed to the catechism to RCIA classes. I'm not suggesting, BTW, that any exCatholics here did anything like that. I'm saying that position doesn't equal correct understanding or willingness to impart teaching in accord with official church doctrine.

The problem isn’t the Catholics posting a response to actual lies about the Catholic church.

This is precisely what I was referring to. I prefer to say someone misstates something because a lie means intent to deceive. I cannot see into a commenter's heart to know if it's misstatement or deception. That said, if someone says the church teaches X but the catechism or other church document clearly shows that it teaches Y not X, then the commenter is either misunderstanding or intentionally misleading. Because some catechists misuse their position to teach error, how is a Catholic here to know if the commenter has been taught error or is intentionally mistating official Church teaching? This is why I said the poor catechesis angle is more charitable than the other option of intentional misrepresentation of the Church's position on a particular matter.

Peace be with you. And have a very blessed Christmas :)

377 posted on 12/10/2012 10:18:00 PM PST by PeevedPatriot
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