Catholics, Protestants, and Immaculate Mary

The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8, 2012 | David G. Bonagura, Jr.

[Elsie]

HA ha ha!

Thou surely jesteth; oh cynical one!

We don need no steekin’ SCRIPTURE!!!

We got TRADITION!!

[Elsie]

[CynicalBear]

Snicker!

[BlueDragon]

There will always be those tares we were warned about, sowed amid the true wheat.

Let's not find fault in all, just for reason of finding fault with some. Have mercy, the Lord does, we all believe.

[Natural Law]

"And Thomas too??"

St. Thomas Aquinas was not infallible, but your poor research does not present what St. Thomas Aquinas wrote. Fortunately, I have and have read the Summa Theologica. The snippet you posted is part of the premise to an argument that St. Thomas refutes. St. Thomas Aquinas concludes as follows:

"On the contrary, Augustine says against the Donatist Petilian: "Remember that the evil lives of wicked men are not prejudicial to God's sacraments, by rendering them either invalid or less holy."

I answer that, As stated above (A. 5), since the minister works instrumentally in the sacraments, he acts not by his own but by Christ's power. Now just as charity belongs to a man's own power so also does faith. Wherefore, just as the validity of a sacrament does not require that the minister should have charity, and even sinners can confer sacraments, as stated above (A. 5); so neither is it necessary that he should have faith, and even an unbeliever can confer a true sacrament, provided that the other essentials be there."

Now please, if you sincerely wish to refute the Church's teaching sincerely form your objection. Regardless of how sound ones logic may be or how sincere their effort, no truth can be founded upon a false premise.

Peace be with you.

[metmom]

Are you seriously suggesting that people being cured of cancer and alcohol abuse is the work of the devil because they prayed intercessory prayer to The Blessed Mother? I really hope you’re not suggesting such a thing.

Read sometime, *The Beautiful Side of Evil* by Johanna Michaelsen.

She was on her way to becoming a full trance medium working with a *faith healer* in Mexico. The healings did often occur, in the name of God, but she saw what was really behind it and it wasn't God or Jesus.

[CynicalBear]

>> There will always be those tares we were warned about, sowed amid the true wheat. Let's not find fault in all, just for reason of finding fault with some. Have mercy, the Lord does, we all believe.<<

No, here is the admonition I am just repeating.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. 9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, 10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

[daniel1212]

Thanks be to God.

And see more here on this area:. http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2005/12/martin-luther-topical-master-index-for.html

[daniel1212]

The track record makes that doubtful.

[metmom]

No rabid, deluded speculation is beneath someone bent on character assassination.

[stfassisi]

Even the versions of protestant Bible's translate the fact that satan can;t produce a TRUE miracle and only counterfeit ones.

Someone being cured of cancer is NOT a counterfeit miracle. Thus,these miracles can only be provided by God.

Here is what your protestant Bible's say....

◄  2 Thessalonians 2:9  ►

New International Version (©1984)
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,

New Living Translation (©2007)
This man will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles.

English Standard Version (©2001)
The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
The coming of the lawless one is based on Satan's working, with all kinds of false miracles, signs, and wonders,

International Standard Version (©2012)
The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the power of Satan. He will use every kind of power, including miraculous signs, lying wonders,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
For the coming of that one is in the activity of Satan in all power, signs and false wonders,

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
The man of sin will come with the power of Satan. He will use every kind of power, including miraculous and wonderful signs. But they will be lies.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

American King James Version
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

American Standard Version
even he , whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

[mitch5501]

Whoever that passage is adressing,no-one would want to be in their shoes.She sits as a queen,she glorifies herself,she believes she still has her husband and she believes she shall see no sorrow.She is drunk with the blood of saints and is in bed with the world and it's leaders.Even some of God's own people are with her so although she obviously gives the appearance of somewhere God's own people could go,it's just that,an appearance.A subtle and deceitfull appearance.How often in the NT are God's people admonished to pay back!?There's no turning of the other cheek,no pray for those who persecute you,no going the extra mile,no bless your enemies,no nothing,no quarter.Instead it's reward her as she rewarded you,give her double according to her works,so much torment and sorrow give her and in the end,death,mourning,famine,sorrow and utterly destroyed by fire in one day!

Whoever 'she' is,Almighty God certainly has a very very strong controversy with her.

[stfassisi]

Some are betting their soul on it. Pray for those who refuse to see.

I will be praying for them at Adoration for sure.

[CynicalBear]

“She” is the false religion, the “one world religion” that will be in place at the beginning of the 7 year tribulation.

[annalex]

lies to be spread about Luther

I documented the shenanigans I accuse him of, and besides they are public knowledge.

you can’t take the the heat of the battle

What heat?

I’m not going to stop posting.

That's fine. Like with Elsie I might ignore some of your chatter, but I will respond to anything of substance and not repetitive.

[annalex]

The countries which are freest and most prosperous in this world through out history are those with the strongest Protestant influence

Prosperity is not a measure of holiness.

[mitch5501]

Totally agree.

No doubt she will not simply pop into existance on day one of the trib but has rather been busy for a long long time in a more subtle form.God certainly has it in for her big time!

[annalex]

WRONG. They pledge to Rome/RCC

You are entitled to your opinion. Are you Catholic or what is your knowledge of monasticism deriving from?

They forbid people to marry...

People who undertake monastic vows are not free to marry until such time that they receive a dispensation. They are both cowards and crooks.

[annalex]

the Counter Reformation never happened; eh?

It did not happen enough; I believe it must continue.

[annalex]

study scripture

Of course. I am Catholic, and vociferously anti-Protestant, because I love and understand the Holy Scripture.