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Catholics, Protestants, and Immaculate Mary
The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8, 2012 | David G. Bonagura, Jr.

Posted on 12/08/2012 2:24:39 PM PST by NYer

Do Catholics worship Mary? This question is as old as the Protestant Reformation itself, and it rests, like other disputed doctrinal points, on a false premise that has been turned into a wedge: the veneration of Mary detracts from the worship of Christ.

This seeming opposition between Mary and Christ is symptomatic of the Protestant tendency, begun by Luther, to view the entirety of Christian life through a dialectical lens – a lens of conflict and division. With the Reformation the integrity of Christianity is broken and its formerly coherent elements are now set in opposition. The Gospel versus the Law. Faith versus Works. Scripture versus Tradition. Authority versus Individuality. Faith versus Reason. Christ versus Mary.

The Catholic tradition rightly sees the mutual complementarity of these elements of the faith, as they all contribute to our ultimate end – living with God now and in eternity. To choose any one of these is to choose them all.

By contrast, to assert that Catholics worship Mary along with or in place of Christ, or that praying to Mary somehow impedes Christ’s role as “the one mediator between God and men” (1 Tim 2:5) is to create a false dichotomy between the Word made flesh and the woman who gave the Word his flesh. No such opposition exists. The one Mediator entrusted his mediation to the will and womb of Mary. She does not impede his mediation – she helps to make it possible.

Within this context we see the ancillary role that the ancilla Domini plays in her divine Son’s mission. Mary’s is not a surrogate womb rented and then forgotten in God’s plan. She is physically connected to Christ and his life, and because of this she is even more deeply connected to him in the order of grace. She is, in fact, “full of grace,” as only one who is redeemed by Christ could be.

The feast of Mary’s Immaculate Conception celebrates the very first act of salvation by Christ in the world. Redemption is made possible for all by his precious blood shed on the cross. Yet Mary’s role in the Savior’s life and mission is so critical and so unique that God saw it necessary to wash her in the blood of the Lamb in advance, at the first moment of her conception.

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This reality could not be more Biblical: the angel greets Mary as “full of grace” (Luke 1:28), which is literally rendered as “already graced” (kecharitōmenē). Following Mary, the Church has “pondered what sort of greeting this might be” for centuries. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception, ultimately defined in 1854, is nothing other than a rational expression of the angel’s greeting contained in Scripture: Mary is “already graced” with Christ’s redemption at the very moment of her creation.

Because God called Mary to the unique vocation of serving as the Mother of God, it is not just her soul that is graced, as is the case for us when we receive the sacraments. Mary’s entire being, body and soul, is full of grace so that she may be a worthy ark for the New Covenant. And just as the ark of the old covenant was adorned with gold to be a worthy house for God’s word, Mary is conceived without original sin to be the living and holy house for God’s Word.

Thus Mary is not only conceived immaculately, that is, without stain of sin. She also is the Immaculate Conception. Her entire being was specifically created by God with unique privilege so that she could fulfill her role in God’s plan of salvation. “Free from sin,” both original and personal, is the necessary consequence of being “full of grace.”

Protestants claim that veneration of Mary as it is practiced by Catholics is not biblical. St. Paul encouraged the Corinthians to “be imitators of me, as I am of Christ” (1 Cor 11:1). Paul is not holding himself up as the end goal, but as a means to Christ, the true end. And if a person is imitated, he is simultaneously venerated.

If we should imitate Paul, how much more should we imitate Mary, who fulfilled God’s will to the greatest degree a human being could. Throughout her life she humbled herself so that God could be exalted, and because of this, Christ has fulfilled his promise by exalting his lowly mother to the seat closest to him in God’s kingdom.

Mary is the model of humility, charity, and openness to the will of God. She allows a sword to pierce her heart for the sake of the world’s salvation. She shows us the greatness to which we are called: a life free from sin and filled with God’s grace that leads to union with God in Heaven. She is the model disciple, and therefore worthy of imitation and veneration, not as an end in herself, but as the means to the very purpose of her – and our – existence: Christ himself.

God’s lowly handmaiden would not want it any other way.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
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To: CynicalBear; metmom
I would suggest that you either prove that I said what you claim or leave in the mind of the readers an additional reason to take what you say with little credibility.

Hey!

You ain't METMOM!!!

4,301 posted on 01/04/2013 12:23:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses

Vain and repetitious...


4,302 posted on 01/04/2013 12:24:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Agree with Scripture and you’re a heretic and will burn in hell forever.

Go figure.

Just like being MORMON!

Their 'scripture' - Doctrines and Covenants 132 tells them that plural marriage is an ETERNAL COVENANT.

The spineless weasels that run the SLC bunch will EXCOMMUNICATE anyone found amoung their ranks that actually PRACTICEs what the 'scripture' clearly states!

4,303 posted on 01/04/2013 12:28:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
...that actually PRACTICEs what the 'scripture' clearly states!

But; strangely, not a ONE of them will come out and say their #2 Living Prophet® was WRONG when he penned THESE words:

"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)


4,304 posted on 01/04/2013 12:30:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
There seems to be a common thread there.


4,305 posted on 01/04/2013 12:32:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses
You have been warned.

And it's also interesting that you THREATEN another FREEPER instead of putting up EVIDENCE of your claims.

4,306 posted on 01/04/2013 12:34:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses
Your words CynicalBear - your words.

Interesting that your link does NOT take me to the supposed words of CB.

Perhaps you've made a mistake.

4,307 posted on 01/04/2013 12:37:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses

Vain and repetitous...


4,308 posted on 01/04/2013 12:37:48 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses
And now that I have posted the very words and links thereto, now what?

Try again...

4,309 posted on 01/04/2013 12:38:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses
Except, well, I posted his exact words.

Maybe you did; but your link does NOT take me to them...

4,310 posted on 01/04/2013 12:39:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses

Now that’s better - a link that works.


4,311 posted on 01/04/2013 12:41:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses

Vain and repetitous...


4,312 posted on 01/04/2013 12:42:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses
Catholics, Protestants, and Immaculate Mary
4,313 posted on 01/04/2013 12:43:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses
Do not badger another Freeper to answer the same question over and again.


 



4,314 posted on 01/04/2013 12:49:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses
Psst, are you still here? I answered you, fully and with links. Where did you go?

I had plans for the evening and then to bed.....

Or do I need your permission, mommy?

4,315 posted on 01/04/2013 1:29:58 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: narses

Post 4198 mm asks for evidence to back up narses claim.

post 4204 - CB asks for evidence to back up your claims against him.

post 4211 mm explains why she previously asked for evidence. Does not ask again in this post.

post 4215 - CB for SECOND time asks for evidence to back up claims against him.

Asking once is not badgering.

Asking twice is not badgering.

Ten posts and some is badgering.


4,316 posted on 01/04/2013 1:55:47 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: narses; mitch5501
Matthew 5:38-48 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

4,317 posted on 01/04/2013 2:02:05 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: boatbums; Rashputin; CynicalBear
Matthew 5:17-20 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 24:44 Then he said to them,

“These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Jesus establishes here, the authority of Scripture. He came to fulfill it.

4,318 posted on 01/04/2013 2:17:49 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: narses; annalex; CynicalBear
mm:CB is not the one misrepresenting His faith. He's been very open and forthright about what he believes and what he doesn't believe.

narses:No, he plays games, but he has clearly said that:

Well, which is it. Is he playing games or clearly stating?

I said that he was very open and forthright about his faith. You disagreed and then proceeded to post 5 specific things that you say he clearly said, thus proving my point that CB has been very open and forthright about what he believes.

Otherwise, you could not have come up with 5 distinct points, not to mention that you DID agree with me.

So which is it? Could you make up your mind? Clear or not?

4,319 posted on 01/04/2013 2:24:12 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
The scary thing (the fear and trembling type!)is that not only does the Creator of the cosmos know every single word that gets posted here but also every single thought and intent behind it.I'll freely admit that I don't have an absolute handle on every agenda that dwells deep within me because my heart is also desperatly wicked and deceitfull and I do not fully know it.That is not humility that is a cold hard fact.Would anyone here say they've done nothing but post exactly how God's Spirit would have us post?When I contemplate the utter depth of myself,as far as I can know with any semblence of certainty,I shudder at the thought that I could possibly think I have anything in the way of 'good' to offer God.It would say to me that I have absolutely no idea of the dire depths I am in.It would be (as I've ranted many times before)akin to me standing on the surface of the sun expecting to cast a shadow.

I can't say I know every thought and intent of my own heart but I can thank God for sending His only begotten Son to RESCUE ME.Jesus is Lord.Maranatha

4,320 posted on 01/04/2013 3:43:17 AM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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