Catholics, Protestants, and Immaculate Mary

The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8, 2012 | David G. Bonagura, Jr.

[CynicalBear]

>> You mean like in the Inquisition? <<

You caught that ey? :-)

[stfassisi]

Maybe you were so intent on trying to discredit what I said that you read something that wasn’t there? Actually, I was not.

Being that I can't read your mind and your previous post seemed to suggest to me that you could be someone who rejected free will. I decided to see in my last post if your response would indicate a denial of free will by you.

[stfassisi]

There is no sin greater or stronger than God and His love for His children and His ability to forgive them and their sin

There is sin that is unforgivable and suggesting that grave sin has no consequences is like walking on the edge of the abyss,dear sister

Why don't you just admit that Luther should not had such a thing and move on ,lest you be accused of condoning grave sin as well

[daniel1212]

Well, RC exhibit a voracity for attacking our reliance upon the veracity of Scripture over that of Rome. Rome being a law unto itself, there is not need to do as the Bereans did.

“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. “ (Acts 17:11)

[CynicalBear]

>>I decided to see in my last post if your response would indicate a denial of free will by you.<<

Of course you did. Free will either before or after one is saved does not say that one is partly responsible for his salvation.

[CynicalBear]

Does knowing that your parents would support you even if you did something bad mean that you would go out and do it? Are you convinced that your parents would always be there to support you and turn you back to doing good even if you did do something bad? Would you be willing to admit that they would?

[CynicalBear]

>> Rome being a law unto itself, there is not need to do as the Bereans did.<<

That sure puts into perspective who the supreme authority to Catholics is doesn’t it.

[smvoice]

I’m interested in knowing what sin is “unforgivable”, stfassisi. In this dispensation of the grace of God, whereby He seeks all men to be reconciled to Himself through the finished work of His Son, Jesus Christ. And if you are going to tell me that blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin, I’m afraid we’ll have to take a walk down the Kingdom Gospel trail and the prophesies and promises concerning a nation, Israel. But go ahead. I’m all ears.

[CynicalBear]

Got my attention!

[Elsie]

How anyone can justify being saved and committing murder and adultery is beyond me,there is no appropriate context in which to even say such things

Sigh...

Psalm 51: written by a man after GOD's own heart.

[Elsie]

Romans 11:22 See then the goodness and the severity of God : towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity ; but towards thee, the goodness of God,

 if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

 

 

 

Galatians 5:12
As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

[Elsie]

Why don't you just admit that Luther should not had such a thing and move on ,lest you be accused of condoning grave sin as well As soon as...

[CynicalBear]

And how appropriate that this follows that.

Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

[CynicalBear]

Stood up and took the “bull” by the horns did ya?

[HarleyD]

I found one verse where God uses the word pine:

Eze_27:6 Of oaks of Bashan they made your oars; they made your deck of pines from the coasts of Cyprus, inlaid with ivory.

I suppose that's significant if you're building a boat.

[smvoice]

I'm pretty sure stfr. isn't interested, but you seem to want the answer....:)

"Wherefore I (Jesus Christ) say unto you, All manner of sins and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shalll not be forgiven unto men." Matt. 12:31.

"And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enable me, (Paul)for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; WHO WAS BEFORE A BLASPHEMER, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I OBTAINED MERCY, because I did it IGNORANTLY IN UNBELIEF." 1 Tim. 1:12,13.

Hmmmmmm.....something seems different between these two statements. And yet they are both true. How can that be?

"Howbeit FOR THIS CAUSE I obtained mercy, that IN ME FIRST Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, FOR A PATTERN TO THEM which should HEREAFTER BELIEVE on him to life everlasting." 1 TIm. 1:16.

Different dispensations, different gospels to different people. One to a kingdom of believers (the nation Israel) and the other to a body of believers (the Church the Body of Christ).

Yet another reason that 2 TIm. 2:15 is necessary in studying the word of God to be effective workman for Him.

[boatbums]

Yes. If Luther wasn't infallible, and if Christ's Church doesn't hold this doctrine, then the only justification for Luther's doctrine would be if it was biblical. I don't find the doctrine of Scripture alone, as the sole rule of faith, to be biblical. Scripture is the inspired word of God, yes. But Luther's teaching isn't found in the Bible, either explicitly or implicitly.

There is a VAST difference between SOLO and SOLA Scriptura. Luther and the Reformers taught sola Scriptura. If we agree that the Scriptures are Divinely inspired, which means "God-breathed", and that they are the "ultimate" authority for our faith, then there should be no problem at all with recognizing what Jesus, the Apostles and the early church fathers attested to - the primacy, sufficiency and ultimate authority of Scripture. No one is suggesting that there is or was no need for pastors, teachers, prophets and evangelists in the church and their role is to expound upon the Scriptures so that the body of Christ is edified and built up in the faith of Christ.

If you claim that the doctrine of the Scriptures being the infallible and inerrant word of God and sufficient to lead us into all truth of the faith through the illumination of the Holy Spirit is not to be found in Scripture, then you are not in agreement with the Lord Jesus, the Apostles and the early church fathers. This link http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/search/label/An%20Ancient%20Voice%20For%20The%20Day quotes many of the "ancients" on the source of the rule of our faith. I hope you take a few minutes to see what they believed about God's word.

[metmom]

There is sin that is unforgivable and suggesting that grave sin has no consequences is like walking on the edge of the abyss,dear sister

I never said sin, not just *grave* sin, but rather ANY sin, does not have consequences. Of course sin has consequences. But that does not equate to losing one's salvation.

And the idea that there are grades of sin is ridiculous.

James 2:10-11 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. 11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Venial and mortal sins? Pfftt... What nonsense. Sin is sin. ALL of it breaks fellowship with God and none of it results in the loss of salvation.

[annalex]

misconception of Protestant faith

But I've argued with you, answering near every post, for about a month now. Why did you misrepresent your faith?

[annalex]

properly baptized Prots are "incorporated in Christ and thus are in a certain communion, albeit imperfect, with the Church,"...

That you are, but baptism does not equate salvation. It cleanses sins past; express denial of the Body of Christ, which is His Church, and persistent teaching contrary to the Holy Scripture after the mistakes are corrected are sins new. If you wish to be saved, your (all you's are plural) road to it lies through honest reading of the Holy Scripture in an attempt to be sanctified by it according to your own tradition that puts such a great emphasis on the scripture; and then in a desire to overcome what remains to separate you from the Catholic Church. There are Protestant who do that; there are Protestants who deny themselves through their heroic works of charity and these shall be saved. The rest, -- you have my prayers. There is still time, -- little time. Hurry.