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To: daniel1212; WVKayaker; CynicalBear; Running On Empty; metmom; boatbums; caww
properly baptized Prots are "incorporated in Christ and thus are in a certain communion, albeit imperfect, with the Church,"...

That you are, but baptism does not equate salvation. It cleanses sins past; express denial of the Body of Christ, which is His Church, and persistent teaching contrary to the Holy Scripture after the mistakes are corrected are sins new. If you wish to be saved, your (all you's are plural) road to it lies through honest reading of the Holy Scripture in an attempt to be sanctified by it according to your own tradition that puts such a great emphasis on the scripture; and then in a desire to overcome what remains to separate you from the Catholic Church. There are Protestant who do that; there are Protestants who deny themselves through their heroic works of charity and these shall be saved. The rest, -- you have my prayers. There is still time, -- little time. Hurry.

4,180 posted on 01/03/2013 5:48:57 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; daniel1212; WVKayaker; Running On Empty; metmom; boatbums; caww
>>There are Protestant who do that; there are Protestants who deny themselves through their heroic works of charity and these shall be saved.<<

So they do acquire salvation through the efforts they put forth? Is that how you would see that?

4,187 posted on 01/03/2013 6:02:10 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: annalex; CynicalBear; WVKayaker; Elsie; Running On Empty; metmom; boatbums; caww

If you would not seem to contradict yourself (besides modern RC teaching) then these threads could be less.

We see this exchange,

CB: your freind, according to the RCC, will not be saved unless he becomes a member of the Catholic Church.

You: Not entirely correct. He may not have an opportunity to accomplish a formal conversion, but Christ will give him an opportunity to convert in his heart as he dies. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2966953/posts?page=3373#3373

Me: “And thus those Prots, who do not convert to the Catholic church at the end, while having the Holy Spirit and being part of the body of Christ, are lost. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2966953/posts?page=3382#3382

You: >while having the Holy Spirit and being part of the body of Christ, are lost.<

They don’t, aren’t, and yes they are lost if they reject Christ and His Church all the way to their death. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2966953/posts?page=3462#3462

Me: Then all those statements about Prots now being born again and part of the body of Christ, are misleading

You: Yes they are. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2966953/posts?page=4083#4083
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Are you now contradicting yourself by saying that properly baptized Prots have the Holy Ghost and are part of the Body of Christ, if imperfectly joined with Rome, though they will be lost if they do not repent of all their (unnamed) heresies in at least their deeds (lacking details)?

Which yet leaves those affirming statements about Prots now being born again and part of the body of Christ ,and as saint being misleading.


4,367 posted on 01/04/2013 6:46:48 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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