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Catholics, Protestants, and Immaculate Mary
The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8, 2012 | David G. Bonagura, Jr.

Posted on 12/08/2012 2:24:39 PM PST by NYer

Do Catholics worship Mary? This question is as old as the Protestant Reformation itself, and it rests, like other disputed doctrinal points, on a false premise that has been turned into a wedge: the veneration of Mary detracts from the worship of Christ.

This seeming opposition between Mary and Christ is symptomatic of the Protestant tendency, begun by Luther, to view the entirety of Christian life through a dialectical lens – a lens of conflict and division. With the Reformation the integrity of Christianity is broken and its formerly coherent elements are now set in opposition. The Gospel versus the Law. Faith versus Works. Scripture versus Tradition. Authority versus Individuality. Faith versus Reason. Christ versus Mary.

The Catholic tradition rightly sees the mutual complementarity of these elements of the faith, as they all contribute to our ultimate end – living with God now and in eternity. To choose any one of these is to choose them all.

By contrast, to assert that Catholics worship Mary along with or in place of Christ, or that praying to Mary somehow impedes Christ’s role as “the one mediator between God and men” (1 Tim 2:5) is to create a false dichotomy between the Word made flesh and the woman who gave the Word his flesh. No such opposition exists. The one Mediator entrusted his mediation to the will and womb of Mary. She does not impede his mediation – she helps to make it possible.

Within this context we see the ancillary role that the ancilla Domini plays in her divine Son’s mission. Mary’s is not a surrogate womb rented and then forgotten in God’s plan. She is physically connected to Christ and his life, and because of this she is even more deeply connected to him in the order of grace. She is, in fact, “full of grace,” as only one who is redeemed by Christ could be.

The feast of Mary’s Immaculate Conception celebrates the very first act of salvation by Christ in the world. Redemption is made possible for all by his precious blood shed on the cross. Yet Mary’s role in the Savior’s life and mission is so critical and so unique that God saw it necessary to wash her in the blood of the Lamb in advance, at the first moment of her conception.

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This reality could not be more Biblical: the angel greets Mary as “full of grace” (Luke 1:28), which is literally rendered as “already graced” (kecharitōmenē). Following Mary, the Church has “pondered what sort of greeting this might be” for centuries. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception, ultimately defined in 1854, is nothing other than a rational expression of the angel’s greeting contained in Scripture: Mary is “already graced” with Christ’s redemption at the very moment of her creation.

Because God called Mary to the unique vocation of serving as the Mother of God, it is not just her soul that is graced, as is the case for us when we receive the sacraments. Mary’s entire being, body and soul, is full of grace so that she may be a worthy ark for the New Covenant. And just as the ark of the old covenant was adorned with gold to be a worthy house for God’s word, Mary is conceived without original sin to be the living and holy house for God’s Word.

Thus Mary is not only conceived immaculately, that is, without stain of sin. She also is the Immaculate Conception. Her entire being was specifically created by God with unique privilege so that she could fulfill her role in God’s plan of salvation. “Free from sin,” both original and personal, is the necessary consequence of being “full of grace.”

Protestants claim that veneration of Mary as it is practiced by Catholics is not biblical. St. Paul encouraged the Corinthians to “be imitators of me, as I am of Christ” (1 Cor 11:1). Paul is not holding himself up as the end goal, but as a means to Christ, the true end. And if a person is imitated, he is simultaneously venerated.

If we should imitate Paul, how much more should we imitate Mary, who fulfilled God’s will to the greatest degree a human being could. Throughout her life she humbled herself so that God could be exalted, and because of this, Christ has fulfilled his promise by exalting his lowly mother to the seat closest to him in God’s kingdom.

Mary is the model of humility, charity, and openness to the will of God. She allows a sword to pierce her heart for the sake of the world’s salvation. She shows us the greatness to which we are called: a life free from sin and filled with God’s grace that leads to union with God in Heaven. She is the model disciple, and therefore worthy of imitation and veneration, not as an end in herself, but as the means to the very purpose of her – and our – existence: Christ himself.

God’s lowly handmaiden would not want it any other way.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: mary
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To: metmom
"The Catholic church is not, but has chosen to be at odds with Scripture."

haha, who made you God? Good thing we don't worship at the church of "netmom". Oops, ok. Since you are an all knowing authority on scripture and all Catholics are "at odds", please do, what we would do, in this case and pray for us. Thank you, and may God Bless you, have mercy on you, and may the Holy Spirit guide you. I mean that.

3,101 posted on 12/29/2012 2:51:24 PM PST by mgist
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To: Rashputin
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

Once again, as is so often the case, the Self Alone folks contradict Scripture whenever it suits their Self Worship agenda.

Didn't contradict scripture...Of course Jesus is God...

Did Jesus have two natures while he was on earth??? If Jesus had to be filled with the Holy Spirit, which he was, there must have been two natures...Which one was speaking when He said, 'I and the Father are one???'

Oftentimes a single 'cherry-picked' verse by you guys doesn't tell the whole story...In fact, it rarely does...

3,102 posted on 12/29/2012 3:04:55 PM PST by Iscool
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To: metmom

This is an interesting post;

Catholic Word of the Day: SHARING IN GUILT, 12-29-12

and quite pertinent.


3,103 posted on 12/29/2012 3:08:10 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom

The Riot at Ephesus (Acts 19)

21 When these things were accomplished, Paul purposed in the Spirit, when he had passed through Macedonia and Achaia, to go to Jerusalem, saying, “After I have been there, I must also see Rome.” 22 So he sent into Macedonia two of those who ministered to him, Timothy and Erastus, but he himself stayed in Asia for a time.

23 And about that time there arose a great commotion about the Way. 24 For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, who made silver shrines of Diana,[d] brought no small profit to the craftsmen. 25 He called them together with the workers of similar occupation, and said: “Men, you know that we have our prosperity by this trade. 26 Moreover you see and hear that not only at Ephesus, but throughout almost all Asia, this Paul has persuaded and turned away many people, saying that they are not gods which are made with hands. 27 So not only is this trade of ours in danger of falling into disrepute, but also the temple of the great goddess Diana may be despised and her magnificence destroyed,[e] whom all Asia and the world worship.”

28 Now when they heard this, they were full of wrath and cried out, saying, “Great is Diana of the Ephesians!” 29 So the whole city was filled with confusion, and rushed into the theater with one accord, having seized Gaius and Aristarchus, Macedonians, Paul’s travel companions. 30 And when Paul wanted to go in to the people, the disciples would not allow him. 31 Then some of the officials of Asia, who were his friends, sent to him pleading that he would not venture into the theater. 32 Some therefore cried one thing and some another, for the assembly was confused, and most of them did not know why they had come together. 33 And they drew Alexander out of the multitude, the Jews putting him forward. And Alexander motioned with his hand, and wanted to make his defense to the people. 34 But when they found out that he was a Jew, all with one voice cried out for about two hours, “Great is Diana of the Ephesians!”


3,104 posted on 12/29/2012 3:12:17 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums; CynicalBear

GMTA.

Looks like they never got over it, doesn’t it?


3,105 posted on 12/29/2012 3:14:13 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"Too bad the Catholic church thinks the Holy Spirit did an inadequate job of explaining things."

He didn't, He established a perfect system. He gave us a Church with a Magisterium.

Peace be with you

3,106 posted on 12/29/2012 3:15:52 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: metmom
"The Catholic church doesn’t but calls people who call her *mother of Jesus* heretics."

No, that is not true. The Church calls heretics those who deny the hypostatic union by asserting that that Jesus was not BOTH fully God AND fully man.

Peace be with you.

3,107 posted on 12/29/2012 3:20:08 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law

It’s not a perfect system. They keep changing their minds.

And they don’t even need to be unanimous, just majority vote.

The written word is what it is. People can go back and check it out as it doesn’t change.


3,108 posted on 12/29/2012 3:24:20 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: mgist; metmom
>>And neither does, *The Trinity*, but we understand it to be true.

Look! Look! If found it! Now you don’t have to keep repeating that line after being shown several times!

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.<<

3,109 posted on 12/29/2012 3:24:41 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Natural Law

Then there’s no need to reword Scripture and change what the Holy Spirit breathed out in how He addressed Mary.


3,110 posted on 12/29/2012 3:26:38 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: mgist
And neither does, *The Trinity*, but we understand it to be true.

The Trinity is believed because it's found in Scripture. The title *mother of God* isn't.

If you're going to argue that the Trinity isn't found in Scripture, then the only option left is that it's a fabrication by the Catholic church.

3,111 posted on 12/29/2012 3:29:12 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: boatbums

Yep! Started out as a money issue and still is today.


3,112 posted on 12/29/2012 3:32:40 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Natural Law
Jesus said; "This IS my body".

He said a LOT of things:

John chapter 19

26 When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son.

27 After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own.

3,113 posted on 12/29/2012 3:41:03 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear

ROFLMAO!!! Oh that was bad!

I could have gone here: http://www.rocheusa.com/portal/usa


3,114 posted on 12/29/2012 3:44:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law; metmom
Accepting for the moment your Nestorian premise...

Yeah, Mom...

..defend against THIS!!

3,115 posted on 12/29/2012 3:46:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
The problem with that verse is that we don’t know whether Elizabeth was meaning “master” or “a person exercising absolute ownership rights; lord (Lord), or something different.

Humpty says....

3,116 posted on 12/29/2012 3:47:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
The problem with that verse is that we don’t know whether Elizabeth was meaning “master” or “a person exercising absolute ownership rights; lord (Lord), or something different.

Humpty says....

3,117 posted on 12/29/2012 3:51:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses
Trying to read my mind or putting words into my mouth are forms of making it personal... and a fool's errand as well.
3,118 posted on 12/29/2012 3:56:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mgist
The passages together are what creates the message being told by the Apostles, and the context of the story is important.

Random passages glommed together are what creates the weird message being told by the RCC, and the context of the story is discontinuous.

3,119 posted on 12/29/2012 4:01:46 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

3,120 posted on 12/29/2012 4:05:02 PM PST by narses
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