Catholics, Protestants, and Immaculate Mary

The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8, 2012 | David G. Bonagura, Jr.

[metmom]

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

[mitch5501]

Revelation 3:8 "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown...Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. (Rev 3:8,11,12)

Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? (1 john 5:5)

This is the work of God

Grace and peace

[metmom]

I think the definition is that with the truth,God's truth,salvation is the first thing settled,with any cult,it is the last.

That is a great observation, a very concise definition.

Cults always leave you hanging, never knowing if you've done enough, and of course, the cult gets to determine just what it is you have to do.

God says...

1 John 5:13-15 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life. 14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

That includes giving us eternal life as it is God's will to save people.

[Rashputin]

No amount of twisting can deny what Jesus Christ Himself said. The Self Alone folks like to pretend they can take portions out of context and using their Lego Block Method of Scripture Interpretation build whatever fantasy best suits their preconceptions.

As always, that only shows that such folks cannot ever address a direct quote of Jesus Christ without trying to pretend that either Christ was too stupid to know what He was saying, or that Scripture does not mean what it clearly says. That's the only defense those who worship their own, Most High and Holy Self have, diversion and attempts to hide the actual words of Jesus Christ.

Why would anyone who actually believes that Jesus Christ is God take a clear, explicit, statement by Jesus Christ Himself saying He is God and play their little games to avoid that clear statement by Jesus Christ Himself? There's only one reason anyone would do that; they follow Eve rather than Christ and cannot accept His Word.

John 10:23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon's porch.
John 10:24 The Jews therefore came round about him, and said to him : How long dost thou hold our souls in suspense ? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
John 10:25 Jesus answered them : I speak to you, and you believe not : the works that I do in the name of my Father, they give testimony of me.
John 10:26 But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep.
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice : and I know them, and they follow me.
John 10:28 And I give them life everlasting ; and they shall not perish for ever, and no man shall pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:29 That which my Father hath given me, is greater than all : and no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father.

All it takes is the single statement by Jesus Christ Himself and the Self Alone crowd go into a frenzy of distortion, diversion, and anything else they can think of to avoid admitting that Jesus Christ is God.

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

Once again, as is so often the case, the Self Alone folks contradict Scripture whenever it suits their Self Worship agenda.

[Elsie]

Criticism and judgement of christians who haven't sinned against you, or hurt you directly, is NOT christian.

YOUR bible seems to DISAGREE!

If those 'christians' are spouting FALSE doctrine; you damn well BETTER speak up against them!!!

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Acts 17:18-19
 18.  A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
 19.  Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?

 

Acts 18:11
    So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.

 

 

 

 

 

Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

 

 

Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

 

 

1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

 

 

1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.

 

 

Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

 

 

1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.

 

 

1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

 

 

2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.

 

 

 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.

 

 

2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

 

 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

 

 

Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

 

 

Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

 

 

Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

 

 

 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.

 

 

 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

 

 

2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

[mitch5501]

"God says..."

"...Be not afraid, only believe." (Mark 5:36)

[Elsie]

I have been educated, nor indoctrinated. catholic teaching is never contrary to reason.

QUICK!

Will SOMEone please drill a hole in my heAD BEFORE IT EXPLODES!!!

[Elsie]

Not sure why you sent me that.

It's a red herring.

A statement designed to get you off the trail and into doing something else.

[Elsie]

Scripture proceeded from Catholic teaching.

B O O M !!!

Too late...

[metmom]

Luke 18:9-14 9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Galatians 2:15-16 15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Here in Ephesians Paul says that salvation is not by "works". He did NOT say "works of the Law" or "the Law" but simply "works", thereby including anything that man would add.

Ephesians 2:8-10 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

What Jesus did with the beatitudes was not establish another system of works but cut to the heart of the Law, to show us what God's standards really are and how we cannot reach them. Paul was a Pharisee of the Pharisees. He understood the Law and the purpose of it.

Galatians 3:21-25 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a lawhad been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

23 Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Jesus didn't come to establish another Law which could not save anyone. If that was the case, He might as well have saved Himself the trouble of instituting the OT Law and gone right for this in the first place.

But no works, no matter how good and how pure the intent can save anyone.

Hebrews 9:22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Forgiveness can't be earned. If it is, it's not forgiveness but wages due.

[Elsie]

For those who need to hear it from the CCC themselves.....

Isn't ONE exploding head good enough for you people???

[Elsie]

Notice how the point is ignored.

Yup

[Elsie]

Christ gave an unambiguous answer to your question,

Yes; He DID do that a lot!

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John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

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1 John 3:21-24

Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

[Elsie]

Kinda cuts to the chase; don’t it!

[Elsie]

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

Humm... that's funny; it doesn't read 'mother' to me?

[narses]

“Do you simply believe everything you read or someone tells you just because?”

Like your canards about what the Catholic Church teaches? What odd cult or weird website teaches you these falsehoods that you repeat here?

[metmom]

What odd cult or weird website teaches you these falsehoods that you repeat here?

This one....

The Catechism of the Catholic Church

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P1D.HTM

If you check my posting history, you'll find my comments about Catholic teaching back up by this site only. Knowing the neighborhood so well and the shrieks of *anti-Catholic website* that so often pass the keyboards of Catholics, I use that site only for doctrinal issues.

In order to distinguish what I post from that site, vatican.va, I post the references from it in green.

If you peruse my posting history, look for anything posted in this shade of green and check out the website address. It will verify what I'm saying.

[CynicalBear]

From everything I’ve seen the “mother of God” term goes all the way back to the council a Ephesus when they were trying to placate the populace that worshiped the “queen of heaven”. The merchants who made the trinkets were upset that they were losing income from people who converted and no longer needed them.

[Religion Moderator]

a. When you talk about another Freeper, ping him/her.

b. Do not make the thread "about" individual Freepers, that is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[CynicalBear]

>> It's a red herring.<<

That’s pretty much what I thought also. Trying to deflect. It’s the old “they do it too” meme.