Catholics, Protestants, and Immaculate Mary

The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8, 2012 | David G. Bonagura, Jr.

[Elsie]

Yes, that too, but again, the Inquisition was dealing with Catholics or those pretending to be Catholics , and WITCHES.

The 1578 handbook for inquisitors spelled out the purpose of inquisitorial penalties: ... quoniam punitio non refertur primo & per se in correctionem & bonum eius qui punitur, sed in bonum publicum ut alij terreantur, & a malis committendis avocentur.

Translation from the Latin: "... for punishment does not take place primarily and per se for the correction and good of the person punished, but for the public good in order that others may become terrified and weaned away from the evils they would commit."[6]

[Elsie]

Otherwise known as a ‘teaching moment’.

[boatbums]

NOPE! None of dem neither. Ain’t skeered!

[mgist]

"You should know that the Baptist church, unlike the Catholic church, is considered A CULT. I would never pass judgement against any Christians, but while you were busy passing judgement on the Christian denomination with the largest number of Christian members who choose Catholicism, others are spreading calumny against Baptists, the same way you do against Catholics. (I guarantee you the offenders are not Catholic).

http://www.millennialstar.org/southern-baptist-convention-is-a-cult/

It's not right, but you are also under attack. There are long lists of religious cults, and none of them are Catholic. Catholics are imperfect, but none of us are. Attack the Catholic church to your own detriment. It hurts all Christians, but it hurts you more. "You reap what you sow." Not only are other Protestant denominations calling Baptists a cult, so are former members.

http://www.thinkatheist.com/group/formersouthernbaptists

I think we all need to get our own houses in order, before we start throwing rocks. I'll pray for you.

Why are former Baptists calling Southern Baptists a cult?

http://lostcodex.com/2010/07/are-the-southern-baptists-a-cult/

I'm not going to say I agree, but whatever cult it was that told my aunt she couldn't associate with her loving Catholic family, was very critical of Catholics, family, and anyone who wasn't a cult member. Criticism and judgement of christians who haven't sinned against you, or hurt you directly, is NOT christian.

[metmom]

Baptism does not save anyone. No baby makes that personal choice to believe. Infant baptism is something done to the baby. It is not an outward profession of faith that that baby has already exercised.

Tell me the Catholic opinion.

Does baptism save anyone?

If it does, why don’t Catholics have assurance of that salvation?

[Natural Law]

"You were TAUGHT what it means."

I have been educated, nor indoctrinated. catholic teaching is never contrary to reason.

Peace be with you.

[metmom]

We'll you should know that the Baptist church, unlike the Catholic church, is considered A CULT. I would never pass judgement against any Christians,

Oh really? And you just didn't with your first statement?

And you haven't against me?

[boatbums]

Thank you.

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Matthew 5:9)

[metmom]

Now that is an idiotic statement. So when Christ comes and your neighbor calls to say "He is in the town square talking to people" you response will be "Sorry, I am a true believer, I don't need to go anywhere?"

Matthew 24:23-26 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.

Luke 17:20-24 20 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, 21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

22 And he said to the disciples, “The days are coming when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 And they will say to you, ‘Look, there!’ or ‘Look, here!’ Do not go out or follow them. 24 For as the lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one side to the other, so will the Son of Man be in his day.

[mgist]

I referenced links where other Protestant groups, along with former Baptists, claim that southern Baptists are a cult. I also said that I can’t make that judgement, but certainly there are way too many religious cults out there. I didn’t accuse, or pretend to be an authority of Baptist teachings, simply stated what others say about Southern Baptists. That is only out of respect to my God, otherwise I would have choice words for you. Don’t post to me.

[CynicalBear]

Not sure why you sent me that. I’m not a member of the Baptist church. I couldn’t care less what “denomination”. If they teach counter to what scripture teaches I call them in error. Scripture doesn’t delineate between “denominations” or man made and constructed “religious” organizations. When the apostles saw error in any church they called them on it. Just because someone calls themselves a Christian or designates their organization a Christian organization doesn’t mean they conform to what scripture teaches. If they don’t and are in error I speak up like the apostles did and always will.

[metmom]

Yes, that too, but again, the Inquisition was dealing with Catholics or those pretending to be Catholics. It is an internal ecclesial court.

Well, yeah, of course there's a difference. That certainly justifies the use of torture then, doesn't it?

For the rest of us infidels, it's the Crusades all over again.

[boatbums]

I would hope all those on your ping list will go back and read Metmom’s posts to actually understand what she is saying by them. As is standard operating procedure for some here, snippet hunting is a very poor excuse for actual discussion. If the intent is to mock and ridicule someone because one doesn't believe the same way, that too will be apparent and I have more faith in the intelligence of “your” ping partners than you, it seems.

[boatbums]

That’s a good prayer for all of us to remember here.

[metmom]

I have been educated, nor indoctrinated. catholic teaching is never contrary to reason.

Sure it is because it's contrary to Scripture.

It is unreasonable to teach something as truth that is clearly stated in Scripture.

Elsie has just been giving fine examples of that Scripture posts about the rock.

[metmom]

That is only out of respect to my God, otherwise I would have choice words for you.

I've been judged again, eh?

[Natural Law]

"Sure it is because it's contrary to Scripture."

Catholic teaching can never contrary to Scripture. Scripture proceeded from Catholic teaching.

Peace be to you

[boatbums]

The problem here is is that “omnipresence” is taught as an attribute of God, and angels are not gods. You are, of course, correct: there is no meaningful difference between “omnipresence” and “being where God sends them at once”.

No, the problem is in not understanding what the prefix "omni" means. When we're talking about omnipresence we are speaking about God being present in all places at all times. Just as omniscience means ALL knowing and omnipotence means ALL powerful. Angels can be sent to any place God sends them, but they are NOT omnipresent (in all places at all times). There is HUGE difference between them.

[metmom]

Yeah, but dontcha know?

They have ONE verse that they interpret as telling them otherwise. Which by the admission of their own CCC can have two meanings.

So they even recognize the validity of the *Protestant* interpretation.

Just for Catholics

http://www.justforcatholics.org/11.10.pdf

For instance St Augustine wrote: ‘For on this very account the Lord said, On this rock will I build my Church, because Peter had said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. On this rock, therefore, He said, which you have confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself also built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus’ (Augustine, Tractate 124, 5). So Augustine taught that the rock was Peter’s confession, that is, Christ himself.

Even more interesting is the plain admission by the modern Roman Catholic Church that the rock is Peter’s confession. ‘Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ On the rock of this faith confessed by St Peter, Christ built his Church’ (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 424).

For those who need to hear it from the CCC themselves.....

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P1D.HTM

424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'8 On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.9 "To preach. . . the unsearchable riches of Christ"10