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To: Rashputin

Catholicism fights Luther even in death. Truly he pushed the right button - seems Catholicism didn’t get enough blood from him when he was alive. They fight Luther harder than they do satan/deception.

Here’s the deal.... Religions are all man-made while they dabble in Scripture.

Christians follow Jesus Christ/The WORD ONLY and have a relationship with The Father just as Jesus did and taught us to have. There is ONLY ONE TRUTH and JESUS is IT! We listen to HIM ALONE as HIS SPIRIT as our Teacher!

God made it simple, man tried to confuse it all for 2000 years but THE WORD still REIGNS. You got caught up in the confusion.


115 posted on 12/01/2012 10:36:50 AM PST by presently no screen name
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Catholicism fights Luther even in death. Truly he pushed the right button -

And that is simply recognizing where the actual, proper authority lies. And that just galls them.

Scripture is the final authority, not the RCC. They couldn't stand having their grip on power challenged.

116 posted on 12/01/2012 11:40:39 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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"Here’s the deal.... Religions are all man-made while they dabble in Scripture."

Religions are indeed creations, however one was established by Jesus, it is one, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. All others were created by men.

Peace be with you

117 posted on 12/01/2012 12:19:29 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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"Here’s the deal.... Religions are all man-made while they dabble in Scripture."

Religions are indeed creations, however one was established by Jesus, it is one, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. All others were created by men.

Peace be with you

118 posted on 12/01/2012 12:20:05 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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The reason Luther is still discussed is because there are a great many people who obviously believe that Luther knew more about Scripture than Christ Himself. Otherwise they'd rely on the same Old Testament Christ and the Apostles used rather than only on the subset Luther accepted.

Just like some people think that the commandment to love one another overrides all of the rest of the Scripture and makes it Ok to ordain queers and marry them to one another, some people think what Luther decided about the canon overrides everyone else including Jesus Christ, the Apostles, and the Holy Spirit.

No one that I know of is making the claim that Jesus Christ is not the way the truth and the light. The question at issue is whether or not the Old Testament in use at the time of Christ is the complete and correct Old Testament, or if Jesus Christ cared so little about errors in His Word that he ignored the inclusion books in the Septuagint that shouldn't have been there. If He did ignore the inclusion of those works, then the doctrine of Scripture Alone is clearly in error.

The Word and only the Word is all well and good if you start with all of the Word. If you only accept a subset and in doing so multiply the divisions between Christians then there's something badly wrong with relying on only the subset. I don't believe Jesus Christ is the father of division nor do I think that the Holy Spirit would allow an egregious error to propagate for fifteen centuries before correcting the error. So, reliance on the subset rather than the entire Old Testament is the error.

How would relying on the entire Bible change anything other than taking away a few of the Pavlovian responses some people have when they see any mention of a few things that were established doctrine for fifteen hundred years? They'd still have plenty of other things to bitch about, I'm sure.

It seems to me that people who are sincere about Scripture Alone make hypocrites of themselves by refusing to rely on the complete Old Testament as it existed at the time of Christ. Obviously, such folks don't see a problem with not practicing what they preach. As always, YMMV

140 posted on 12/02/2012 3:18:43 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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