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To: DelphiUser; Ouderkirk; All
Let’s start at death. You’ve got Paradise and Spirit Prison, you die you go to one or the other...let us tell people what we believe... please?

Sorry, but you're quite incomplete in teaching the official version of Mormonism on this...you say NOTHING of "the spirit world" in your response...plus you make it all out to be two things (paradise and spirit prison)...when Joseph Smith taught both of these were "one"...the world of spirits!

Source: Official Lds church magazine, Liahona Magazine

The Spirit World, Our Next Home(The OTHER World Series: Mormon beliefs beyond this world)

Here...read it for yourself:
According to Latter-day Saint doctrine, the spirit world is the place of residence for ALL those who have died and are awaiting the resurrection and the inseparable connection of their spirits and bodies. Thus, it is not the place where God the Father, the resurrected Lord, and other resurrected beings dwell. Rather, it is an intermediate condition or state where people await the resurrection—a sphere where disembodied spirits live in one of several conditions according to what their mortal lives have merited... In short, the spirit world is the temporary home of the spirits of ALL mankind, whether they are good or evil. Thus Joseph Smith could declare that “the righteous and the wicked all go to the SAME world of spirits until the resurrection.” (Teachings, p. 310.) Yet some have wondered why Jesus promised the dying thief that after his death he would join the Savior in paradise. The Prophet Joseph taught: “King James’ translators make it out to say paradise. But what is paradise? It is a modern word: it does not answer at all to the original word that Jesus made use of. Find the original of the word paradise. You may as easily find a needle in a pile of hay. Here is a chance for you to argue with me, ye learned men. There is nothing in the original word in Greek from which this was taken that signifies paradise; but it was—This day thou shalt be with me in the world of spirits: then I will teach you all about it and answer your inquiries. And Peter says [Jesus] went and preached to the world of spirits (spirits in prison, 1 Pet. 3:19), so that they who would receive it could have it answered by proxy by those who live on the earth, etc.” (Teachings, p. 309.) Moreover, the Prophet added: “Hades, the Greek, or Sheol, the Hebrew, these two significations mean a world of spirits. Hades, Sheol, paradise, spirits in prison, are ALL ONE; it is a world of spirits.” (Teachings, p. 310.)...President Young confirmed that the spirit world “Is on this earth.” (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 376.) (Liahona Mag, 12/77)

Those in Paradise can go on missions to to spirit prison, they teach everybody the Gospel...

From the above linked source:

The Latter-day Saint view of the spirit world reveals that there is missionary work being performed there. The most magnificent and extensive missionary program the mind can contemplate is centered in the spirit world.

473 posted on 11/30/2012 12:34:28 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

You are headed out into the weeds here.

Things such as spirits and afterlife etc. are not provable by empirical evidence. They are matters of faith.

My issue here was/is the LDS church seeking to cozy up to muslims. Why? Muslims are savages and their prophet was a psychopath-sociopath.

I don’t necessarily have an issue with some of the LDS peculiar practices such as baptizing the dead. Its a little strange to say the least, but they are not out in the world killing people and causing mayhem while chanting “allah akbar”.

While I am not a mormon nor am I interested in becoming one, I have read enough of their material to know that nowhere in any of their texts is war, murder, theft, advocated. Nor is the threat of death in the here and now used to convert someone into a mormon.

Spirit prisons and heavens and any of that is implied as tenents of their faith. There is no way to prove any of it. One has to take it on faith.....or not, as a matter of faith.

You overlook the free will of the individual. And my point was that muslims use the threat of death in the here and now to achieve converts. The LDS use psy-ops. For the intelligent individual psy-ops are much more limited in their effectiveness. The threat of physical harm is not psy-op.


501 posted on 12/01/2012 10:09:28 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Colofornian
C “Sorry, but you're quite incomplete in teaching the official version of Mormonism on this...”
I was simplifying, not wrong.
I left out details on purpose.
I'll bet hardly anyone reads the “block of text” you pasted to the page.

Delph

624 posted on 12/03/2012 12:50:47 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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