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To: Boogieman
“Alright, now if the Jesus who Mormons believe in is the same Jesus that all the other Christians believe in, then why do we require the Mormon gospel for salvation? What requirements are laid out in the Mormon gospel which you believe, I suppose, have been removed or altered from the gospel that was given to the rest of us? In other words, is Christ sufficient to save us, or do the Mormons teach that we need “Christ plus”? (Christ plus baptism, Christ plus works, what have you)”

Actually a good question, I'll answer it three fold.

1) The trinity. If we are correct about the nature of God then Orthodox Christianity is teaching a heresy. If they are right, we are teaching heresy.

2) A) Authority if the Catholics are right and they have unbroken authority coming down to today from Peter, then We and all Protestants are heretics and need to repent and be brought into communion with the Catholic Church.

2) B) Authority In every instance throughout the Bible when the Gospel was corrupted, God sent men called by him to re-establish his church, we call them prophets. If the Catholic Church lost the authority somewhere along the way (Bogias for example) then only a church established by a prophet of God has the possibility of having the authority to act in God's name as the Bible requires for Baptism. The Mormon church is the only church that meets this criteria. Protestants don't have an authority leg to stand on and are not a consideration, authoritatively.

3) If you are not baptized into the church of God by the authority of God, then your soul is in mortal jeopardy

Conclusion: If there is even a possibility that one is a member of the wrong church, they should check it out. I attended a Catholic Bible school (until asked not to attend anymore - I was not misbehaving, just a Mormon, I'll tell the story if you want) I have spent much time in prayer and supplication to know God's will for me. I prayed about the Book of Mormon, got an answer, it was accompanied by a testimony of Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I encourage all men to get a book of Mormon, read it, pray about it, and see for themselves if God says it's true or not. Don't believe me, don't believe anyone else, don't believe any man no matter how learned in a matter so important. If you can read a book, pray about it and know for yourself, why wouldn't you? You don't have to be smart, strong, or popular. God answers sincere prayers. God will answer his children's sincere requests for knowledge.

Thank you for asking this.

God bless and keep you

Delph.

248 posted on 11/29/2012 2:29:35 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
If you are not baptized into the church of God by the authority of God, then your soul is in mortal jeopardy

You are DAMENED, DU!!!

Brigham SAYS so!

287 posted on 11/29/2012 3:01:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser

Your four points are sensible, after all, they’re basically (except for the first) the same things that Protestants and Catholics continue to dispute over. However, the Protestants and Catholics do not really believe that any of their points of disputation alter the requirements for salvation, even if they aren’t really vocal about that fact, and many of their members are under the impression that they do. The Catholics, at least at this point in history, admit that the Protestants can be saved without agreeing with the Catholics on any of your other 3 points, and likewise, the Protestants admit that Catholics can be saved simply by faith in Jesus, even if they think that they are mistaken about these other points.

So, I guess the crux of your argument really boils down to the belief in the Trinity. If I believe in a Jesus that is part of a Trinity, and you do not believe in a Jesus that is part of a Trinity, then do we really believe in the same Jesus? I mean, there are New Agers who believe that Jesus is a god in a pantheon of many gods. I don’t think that their Jesus is the same Jesus Christ that I believe in. Their Jesus is a product of their own imaginations.

Likewise, the Muslims believe in a Jesus who was just a prophet, and they believe he prophesied the coming of Muhammad. I don’t believe that they believe in the Jesus that I know. So, why should I not also believe that your Jesus, who is not part of a Trinity, is also a different Jesus than the one I believe in? He doesn’t seem to meet the description that I am familiar with.

If I accept that Mormons and Christians do believe in the same Jesus, then why wouldn’t I also have to accept that the New Age Jesus and the Muslim Jesus are the same too?


306 posted on 11/29/2012 4:02:43 PM PST by Boogieman
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