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"Give Me This Mountain": Finding Hidden Meaning in Scripture [New Church, Open]
Spirit and Life Bible Study ^ | Wed Nov 21, 2012 | Rev Dr Johnathon Rose

Posted on 11/22/2012 11:55:39 AM PST by DaveMSmith

Many people read the Bible literally and feel very strongly that there's nothing more to it than that, and yet Jesus Himself says the whole Old Testament is about Him. How could that be?!? We ponder this through a bizarre story in which Caleb pleads with Joshua to be given a mountain inhabited by enemy giants in fortified cities (Joshua 14).

Also see: Spirit And Life Bible Study on Facebook


TOPICS: History; Judaism; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: cults; liberal; newchurch; swedenborg
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To: Mrs. Don-o
...Sunday as the Lord's day...

?

Acts 20:7

On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.


Romans 14:5

One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

101 posted on 11/24/2012 4:48:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DaveMSmith
No, thanks... no time for games - my answer is sufficient.

Then declare victory and walk away.

102 posted on 11/24/2012 4:49:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DaveMSmith
Why don't you put something about your own faith on your profile page along with your guns and ammo?

Do ya like MINE?

103 posted on 11/24/2012 4:50:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla
They are the Borg - resistance is futile.

Not SO!!

SOME have been rescued from their clutches!!



104 posted on 11/24/2012 4:52:44 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
These two verses don't point toSunday being established as the Lord's Day as a practice of the Church.

The Acts quote says they came together on the first day of the week to break bread. That allows the interpretation (but does not establish) that they broke bread in the manner of the Eucharist, i.e. the Lord's Supper, ie. the Lord's Body and Blood. It also allows the interpretation that they just came together for a meal.

It says they did it (once) on the first day, but doesn't say they did it regularly, or always, or exclusively on the first day. As a stand-alone verse, it's too vague to tell us exactly what they were doing, let alone what we should do. Nor does it --- in itself --- dis-establish the Sabbath (seventh) day as the Lord's Day.

The second quote (Romans), as a stand-alone, basically says, "This day, that day, whatever...." It precisely does NOT establish the first day of the week as a day dedicated to the Lord.

So I don't see how one can draw the desired conclusion from these two verses alone. Maybe you want to add something else?

105 posted on 11/24/2012 6:43:30 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Quodlibet.)
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To: Elsie
These two verses don't point toSunday being established as the Lord's Day as a practice of the Church.

The Acts quote says they came together on the first day of the week to break bread. That allows the interpretation (but does not establish) that they broke bread in the manner of the Eucharist, i.e. the Lord's Supper, ie. the Lord's Body and Blood. It also allows the interpretation that they just came together for a meal.

It says they did it (once) on the first day, but doesn't say they did it regularly, or always, or exclusively on the first day. As a stand-alone verse, it's too vague to tell us exactly what they were doing, let alone what we should do. Nor does it --- in itself --- dis-establish the Sabbath (seventh) day as the Lord's Day.

The second quote (Romans), as a stand-alone, basically says, "This day, that day, whatever...." It precisely does NOT establish the first day of the week as a day dedicated to the Lord.

So I don't see how one can draw the desired conclusion from these two verses alone. Maybe you want to add something else?

106 posted on 11/24/2012 6:56:45 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Quodlibet.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Ok; just use the LAST verse then.

Or even the fact the the LAWs were a CONTRACT between the 'chosen people' and GOD - NO one else.


Here are two MORE verses...


 

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


1 John 3:21-24

Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.


107 posted on 11/24/2012 7:18:46 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla

And now my site is down. Coincidence?


108 posted on 11/24/2012 8:13:58 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

yes...


109 posted on 11/25/2012 2:49:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DaveMSmith
"Give Me This Mountain": Finding Hidden ... TREASURES!!!




110 posted on 11/25/2012 2:52:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
My path may be different than yours, but it is a plan built for me by a power greater than any of us.


Stay ON that path I've laid out for you, and...
 
 Ignore the following statement,
as it may be translated wrong !
 

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:

Neither the sexually immoral
nor idolaters
nor adulterers
nor male prostitutes
nor homosexual offenders
nor thieves
nor the greedy
nor drunkards
nor slanderers
nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

And that is what some of you were.

But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

111 posted on 11/25/2012 3:06:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
A significant event occurred between the paragraph in question and his final treatment of the subject in 1771, namely the Last Judgement in the spiritual world. The first was a paragraph from some inter-chapter material. We use our reason to put it together, relying on the findings of past teachers. We never alter the Writings, just have new translations. Always learning and developing the understanding with an open mind.

Swedenborg wrote that miracles compel belief and it is such that it does not last. For myself, I've had mystical experiences which seem common today.

I'm just here sharing a good Bible Study for those that may not have one.

112 posted on 11/25/2012 3:22:15 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Elsie; DaveMSmith
We appreciate the fact that he revised and extended his teachings and we're still trying to understand it all.

Thanks for admiting he was WRONG to begin with. It instills confidence in the REST of the story...

Excellent. I don't think that the Council of Nicea has had to be revised. Odd, wouldn't you say?

113 posted on 11/25/2012 3:23:37 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Elsie
No amount of protesting of UNFAIR! will change the facts.

It's worked just fine for the Mormons; wait, what?

114 posted on 11/25/2012 3:26:13 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: DaveMSmith
Swedenborg wrote that miracles compel belief and it is such that it does not last. For myself, I've had mystical experiences which seem common today.

So did Dr. Timothy Leary. Doesn't make them from God.

115 posted on 11/25/2012 3:30:36 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Elsie

Not so sure.


116 posted on 11/25/2012 5:25:08 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: DaveMSmith
It's on the poster who is defiling a Bible Study on a forum where posts cannot be edited or deleted. I consider these posts un-Christian and anti-social - not fit for any society.

This isn't a Bible study. It's a Swedenborg study.

It's blasphemy to consider it a Bible study when he rejects the Bible and his followers reject the Bible.

It's merely smoke and mirrors to deceive and lead astray the naive by calling it a Bible study when it's not.

117 posted on 11/25/2012 5:42:47 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: DaveMSmith
Swedenborg's Heavenly Doctrines is how the Word is understood in the spiritual sense- It's all about the Lord, us and His Churches. Also covers the exact nature of heaven and hell, etc.

Scripture is not for the purpose of revealing to us information about heaven and hell. It's about Jesus and Him alone.

John 5:39-40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

118 posted on 11/25/2012 5:50:06 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Elsie

Right, those are very good verses. I worship God in church on Sundays (not only then, of course); my church sees this Sunday worship as a constitutive element of “keeping the Lord’s Day” — one of the Ten Commandments, which are still applicable to all people, Jew and Gentile. So, I’m curious: is this your church’s teaching and practice as well?


119 posted on 11/25/2012 2:26:50 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you, may the Lord keep you, May He turn to you His countenance and give you peace)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Elsie
I worship God in church on Sundays (not only then, of course); my church sees this Sunday worship as a constitutive element of “keeping the Lord’s Day” — one of the Ten Commandments, which are still applicable to all people, Jew and Gentile.

Galatians 3:7-12 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”

Galatians 3:24-28 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 2:15-16 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Galatians 2:21 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Nobody is obligated to obey the Law, neither Jew nor Gentile. Nobody CAN keep the Law in the first place. It never was meant to be a means of salvation for that very reason, because it is IMPOSSIBLE for any man to keep the entire law. And if we don't keep the entire Law perfectly, to the letter, the penalty is death.

James 2:8-11 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

120 posted on 11/25/2012 5:53:16 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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