Your own personal Jesus?
Why don't you copyright him? Oh, that's right. That's what the LDS has done.
Your Jesus is not my Jesus.
Methinks that you are confusing Creator and creature...
You are right. Your Jesus is different from mine. My Jesus loves and accepts me. Your Jesus is small and puny, unable/unwilling to accept people like me, even though we profess Him as our Savior, Redeemer and Lord and have dedicated our lives to Him.
My Jesus suffered and died for me. I love Him. Your Jesus died for only you and your people. I believe He is no respecter of persons.
You condemn me to hell every time you spout the anti Mormon/anti MormonISM nonsense.
You are right. Your Jesus is not my Jesus.
Sandy, I post rthe blasphemous teachings of YOUR prophets because I don’t accept folks lying about Jesus or what He says, as in what The Bible teaches us about Him. Indeed, the LDSinc jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible. So which jesus/Jesus is YOUR Lord, Saundra? The one Joseph Smith and subsequent false prophets have taught, or the Jesus found alive forever more and displayed in The Bible? ... And before you make the classic mistake of claiming the Bible is accurate ‘as far as it is translated correctly’, The God of The BIble is more than able to keep the Truth of His nature correctly transmitted through His Word. The jesus of LDSinc apparently wasn’t able to do that and doesn’t resemble God enough to warrant your allegiance.
We already knew that.
Yours is a FALSE christ; just as prophecied.
...post that frickity frackin' quote from Brigham Young!!!!!
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
I hope you never murder anyone; or YOUR jesus will not help you one whit.
Sandy the choice to go to heaven or hell is yours alone.
The lds jesus is created.
The Biblical Jesus is eternal.
The lds jesus needs help to offer salvation IE after all we can do
The Biblical Jesus is sufficient and offers Grace.
The lds jesus offers salvation only if you are a mormon and follow all the rules.
The Biblical Jesus offers Grace to all, He wants none to perish.
You are correct the lds jesus is not the Biblical Jesus.
Your own personal Jesus?
Why don't you copyright him? Oh, that's right. That's what the LDS has done.
Your Jesus is not my Jesus.
Methinks that you are confusing Creator and creature...
“Your Jesus is different from mine. My Jesus loves and accepts me. “
... Oh, no. Jesus Christ loves you so much, He died for you. The mormonic jesus, is fiction. The real Savior can be yours.
“My Jesus suffered and died for me. I love Him. Your Jesus died for only you and your people.”
... Why cling to a fictional, sweaty version of the Real Jesus Christ, when you can have the Real One, who really loves you and died for your sins?
“You condemn me to hell every time you spout the anti Mormon/anti MormonISM nonsense.”
... Only you can reject the real Christ. I’ve never condemned you to anything. It’s all up to you Sandy. What will you do?
You make lots of victim statements in your posts. You never use facts, evidence, or logic. Just sweeping generalities. Have you considered why you don’t have any facts?
Shouldn’t your eternal destiny be supported by more than sweeping generalities, feelings and victim-hood?
I would hope so for you. I wish a great eternity for you with God.
“””””You are right. Your Jesus is different from mine. “”””
What is it about Joseph Smith’s version of Christ do you like over what is written in the Bible?
ALL: If you look at Saundra's 10-point list about the alleged "Mormon Jesus" on posts #416/#417, it sounds pretty "orthodox." Bottom line, tho, when you review the new charts I'll be posting, including one below, you can see that...
There's some things we actually agree with Lds leaders in their general premises;
While at the same time, Mormonism has distorted the one True Jesus and twisted Him into an entirely different Being!
So, I take the above statement as one where Saundra is attempting to say to AMPU -- you're petty, so your "Jesus" must be petty, too.
But she -- and MILLIONS of Mormons like her -- indicate they are clueless as to why they've embraced "another" Jesus altogether...just as the apostle Paul said there was "another" Jesus (2 Cor. 11:3-4).
If a 'counterfeit' person was using your name online -- and has some attributes similar to you -- does it make it 'you' if it's 'close enough?'
| Mormon Leader General Premises about 'Jesus' we actually agree with! | Summary or Scriptural Summary |
| LDS "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie essentially answered the question before the development of the Internet world: "A false Christ is NOT a person. It is a false system of worship, a false church, a false cult that says, 'Lo, here is salvation, here is the doctrine of Christ. Come and believe thus and so, and ye shall be saved.' It is any concept or philosophy that says that redemption, salvation, sanctification, justification, and all of the promised rewards can be gained in any way except that set forth by the [LDS] apostles and prophets." (Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, The Millennial Messiah: The Second Coming of the Son of Man, p. 48) | You know, there actually are times we agree with the general premises (but not specific applications) of Mormon leaders like Bruce McConkie! And, even though McConkie was referencing all those outside of Mormonism --ya gotta understand that the Lds church teaches that their church is "the only true and living church on the face of the earth" (Lds Doctrines & Covenants 1:30-- what McConkie says does apply to false systems, false churches, and false cults! |
| Therefore, citing Mormon leaders above & below: How important is it that people don't "misunderstand" who Jesus is? | The New Testament discusses 'another Jesus' (2 Corinthians 11:3-4)...2 Cor. 11:4 -- "For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached..." |
| Per this BYU prof, 'tis very important we don't 'know' another Jesus! "There is NO SALVATION in false doctrine, NO REDEEMING POWER IN MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT JESUS CHRIST." (BYU associate professor W. Jeffrey Marsh, "Doctrine of Christ restored to the world," Church News, Jan. 3, 2004, p. 6) | 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (Jesus, Matthew 24:23-24) |
| Per Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: * "There is no such thing as gaining salvation from a false god, or by conforming to a false plan of salvation, or through membership in a false church." (Lds Official magazine Ensign (Conference edition), "The Caravan Moves On," Nov.1984, p. 83) *"There is no salvation in believing any false doctrine, particularly a false or unwise view about the Godhead or any of its members. Eternal life is reserved for those who know God and the One whom he sent to work out the infinite and eternal atonement." ("Our Relationship with the Lord," in Fireside and Devotional Speeches, 1981-82 (Provo: BYU Press, 1982), p. 97 -- this quote republished in official Lds curricula publication in 1983, 1986, Come unto Christ: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, 1984/1988, p. 45) * "True and saving worship is found ONLY among those who know the truth about God and the Godhead, and who undertand the true relationship men should have with each member of that Eternal Presidency." ("Our Relationship with the Lord," in Fireside and Devotional Speeches, 1981-82 (Provo: BYU Press, 1982), p. 97 -- this quote republished in official Lds curricula publication in 1983, 1986, Come unto Christ: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, 1984/1988, p. 45) |
"And this is life eternal, that they might know knee THE ONLY TRUE God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." (Jesus, John 17:3) [Even Lds "Doctrines & Covenants has 'stolen' a similar saying:] "This is eternal lives--to know THE ONLY wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath sent..." (D&C 132:24) |
Bottom line to above: Mormons might have you believe that embracing "any ole' Jesus" will do...
But you know what?
...The five quotes above -- four from an Lds "apostle" who had the temerity to write a book called "Mormon Doctrine"...
...+ a BYU prof...
...All don't agree with such an assumption...
ALL: If you look at Saundra's 10-point list about the alleged "Mormon Jesus" on posts #416/#417, it sounds pretty "orthodox." Bottom line, tho, when you review these new charts I'm be posting, including a second one below, you can see that...
There's some things we actually agree with Lds leaders in their general premises;
While at the same time, Mormonism has distorted the one True Jesus and twisted Him into an entirely different Being! (And just like a Nazi twisted "cross" is no cross at all, a twisted "Jesus" is no genuine Jesus at all!)
| Lds Source | Lds Leaders Say: 'Different Christ' | Bible indicates: 'Different Christ' |
| Lds 'prophet' Gordon B. Hinckley: | Lds "prophet" Gordon B. Hinckley: “There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.” (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998) Hinckley again: As a Church we have critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say. Our faith, our knowledge is not based on ancient tradition, the creeds which came of a finite understanding and out of the almost infinite discussions of men trying to arrive at a definition of the risen Christ. Our faith, our knowledge comes of the witness of a prophet in this dispensation who saw before him the great God of the universe and His Beloved Son, the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ. ("We Look to Christ", from April 2002 General Conference.) |
"The FACT IS, we do NOT depend on the Bible or on traditional biblical interpretations for our theology." (BYU professor Robert L. Millet, Review of Books on the Book of Mormon, 6:1, p. 198). Did you notice the "WE" of Millet's statement? -- and that there wasn't a storm or even a peep of protest from either Mormon leaders or Mormon grassroots objecting to this Millet statement...and I would guestimate that lack of protest encompasses ALL FReeper Mormons! In stark contrast, the traditional Christ within Christianity is... ...uniquely THE ONLY begotten Son from eternity past, not one of millions of God's pre-existent "sons"; He is uniquely Savior, not one of millions of saviors per Mormondom; He is uniquely Creator and divine and self-existent from eternity past, not one of MILLIONS of men who are somehow likewise "self-existent" from eternity past; His blood is uniquely powerful beyond men's commandment-keeping -- lest the promise Jesus made to the thief on the cross become a false prophecy; His blood is potent enough to cover ALL sins, unlike the Mormon Jesus who leaves men to "make up" for anemic blood via their own "blood atonement." He absorbed God's wrath vs. the Book of Mormon violent Jesus who took out His wrath upon thousands of residents in alleged 16 Book of Mormon cities! The violent Mormon Jesus sunk, entombed, and otherwise destroyed perhaps up to 90,000 upon His death on the Mormon cross! The Bible knows no such horrific crucifixion aftermath fairy tales... |
| Lds official publication Ensign; BYU Press; Lds curricula - Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide | “It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons.” – LDS publication, Ensign Magazine, May 1977, p. 26; "True and saving worship is found ONLY among those who know the truth about God and the Godhead, and who understand the true relationship men should have with each member of that Eternal Presidency." ("Our Relationship with the Lord," in Fireside and Devotional Speeches, 1981-82 (Provo: BYU Press, 1982), p. 97 -- this quote republished in official Lds curricula publication in 1983, 1986, Come unto Christ: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, 1984/1988, p. 45) | (See comparison charts to follow); Christians worship a Christ who can receive direct prayer (Acts 7:59; Mormons even militate vs. their own "scripture" on this -- see 3 Nephi 19:18, 24-26) |
| Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie | "And virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pg.269). | The Christ of Christianity is 'mythical' per an Lds "apostle"? And Mormons imagine that they haven't somehow wielded a direct attack upon Christians worldwide? May I remind Mormons that Lds continued to publish McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine" book? (The Mormon church got ahold of the direct copyright, acquiring it from Bookcraft, and then publishing it under its direct ownership umbrella -- Deseret Book Publishing -- in 1993) McConkie's book was published/republished under 7, count 'em 7, Mormon "prophets" (McKay, Lee, Kimball, Benson, Hunter, Hinckley, Monson). Only McKay conveyed strongly that alterations needs to be forthcoming after the initial edition, and revisions were made...but not enough to keep from embarrassing the Mormon faithful ever since! |
Summary bottom-line:
Mormon official publications say they worship a different Christ...
...the Mormon "prophet" said they speak about, believe and acknowledge a different Christ...
...Most Christians say they worship, speak of and trust another Jesus...
...So. We would seem to be on the same page...so why the few stragglers who are out of harmony???