Do you mean a Temple ceremony?
Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
Do you mean a Temple ceremony?
SANDY!!
You are BLESSED!
It seems you are channeling Hinckley!!!
You go, Gyrrl!
When posters are banned, the mod log records the date and reason given. Whoever banned you wrote that you had opus’ed out which basically means that you wanted to go.
Religion Moderator;
You may have to SHOW her the actual text.
She'll not acknowledge it; of course; but it would stifle the wild accusations she's tossing about.
And there may be some reading this that think you are kidding!!!
Excellent proofs. I bow to your wisdom and expertise. The only question I have is: which are the more heretical? The Swedenborgians or the Mormons?
Or is it a simply a matter left to Dante Alighieri as to which level we find them on?
The bothersome reply
"I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I don't know a lot about it, and I don't think others know a lot about it."
The reporter wrote, "On whether his church still holds that God the Father was once a man, he sounded uncertain." That's an unfortunate conclusion. Of course I wasn't at the interview and neither were you but I'll bet the reporter mistook careful thoughtfulness for uncertainty. This doctrine is indeed deep territory and not something that is taught outside the LDS Church.
An earlier and similar interview
The San Francisco Chronicle, published an interview with President Hinckley in April of 1997. The reporter asked, "There are some significant differences in your beliefs. For instance, don't Mormon's believe that God was once a man?" President Hinckley responded, "I wouldn't say that. There is a little couplet coined, 'As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.'"
He then said, "Now that's more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don't know very much about." The reporter pounced on this. "So you're saying that the church is still struggling to understand this? " President Hinckley responded, "Well, as God is, man may become. We believe in eternal progression. Very strongly."
President Hinckley's response
President Hinckley said in October 1997 General Conference: "I personally have been much quoted, and in a few instances misquoted and misunderstood. I think that's to be expected. None of you need worry because you read something that was incompletely reported. You need not worry that I do not understand some matters of doctrine.
"I think I understand them thoroughly, and it is unfortunate that the reporting may not make this clear. I hope you will never look to the public press as the authority on the doctrines of the Church." And there lies the whole point of my post today. Some members did indeed become a little concerned by the exchanges they read in the press reports of those interviews.
Does the Church still teach this?
I know this is old news but it still bothers some people when they discover the anti-Mormon attacks floating around on the Internet. President Hinckley was right. We really don't know much about how our Heavenly Father became a God. The idea that he passed through a mortal probationary state like you and me is certainly not documented in any scripture of which I know.
However, it is still taught. In the Gospel Principles manual in the chapter on exaltation we read, "Joseph Smith taught: "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)."
Summary and conclusion
I don't know why this should bother anyone. The doctrine is true. Joseph Smith knew a whole lot more about this than I do. President Hinckley also knew a whole lot more about this doctrine than he was willing to share with reporters who did not have the background to understand it. It must have been difficult for President Hinckley to hold back and not teach it in those interviews.
It didn't bother me when I read the interviews back in 1997 and it doesn't bother me today. However, I know it does bother some people. We each have trials of our faith. I have never depended on an intellectual understanding of the gospel in order to accept it and live it. There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith.
There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith.
You really admit to being THIS stupid? A LAWYER???
Pardon?
I was quite surprised when mine started to do this, as I had NO clue as to goat behavior at all!
Even the girls do it.
The 'boys', ahem, are wethers. Would this surpress the head thumping a bit?
just visited 629 and don’t quite understand it..I’m a little slow on some things.....GG
I may have been wrong to assume that the "Daily" was his own writings. Yet he otherwise seemed to claim it (previous to my own reply concerning it) and the banner ad seemed part of the overall "ministry" page, so what can I say? That even taking care to carefully check before assuming my suspicions were correct, I may still have been in error? Yeah, but I had more than a bit of help in it...and got a small snoot-full for my troubles. From one whom preaches acceptance, tolerance, love, etc.
Aint' the FR RF just peachy? hehheh...
ONLY if ALL of the 'family' have TR's.
Or don't...
I have NOTHING that the MORMONs have not provided themselves.
Even Sandy can find this stuff out; if and when she would ever decide to become honest to herself.
PS seperated wethers from males during breeding season or they would likely get killed..
“Your Jesus is different from mine. My Jesus loves and accepts me. “
... Oh, no. Jesus Christ loves you so much, He died for you. The mormonic jesus, is fiction. The real Savior can be yours.
“My Jesus suffered and died for me. I love Him. Your Jesus died for only you and your people.”
... Why cling to a fictional, sweaty version of the Real Jesus Christ, when you can have the Real One, who really loves you and died for your sins?
“You condemn me to hell every time you spout the anti Mormon/anti MormonISM nonsense.”
... Only you can reject the real Christ. I’ve never condemned you to anything. It’s all up to you Sandy. What will you do?
You make lots of victim statements in your posts. You never use facts, evidence, or logic. Just sweeping generalities. Have you considered why you don’t have any facts?
Shouldn’t your eternal destiny be supported by more than sweeping generalities, feelings and victim-hood?
I would hope so for you. I wish a great eternity for you with God.
You guys and your goats........their eyes are so weird.
Really, they creep me out, but I do love goat cheese and of course the stew.....yumm.
My opinion is the mormon sects are more heretical than the Swedenborgians, for the following reason:
I have only read one of Swedenborg's works, "A treatise on Heaven and Hell", circa 1790, read it 5 years ago. I do not recall Mr Swedenborg doing anything more than stating his opion, based on Paul's mention of a "third heaven" in the bible.
FLDS/LDS "prophet" Joseph Smith, checked this same book out from the Palmyra NY library many times, records show. Smith ripped off the entire theory of Swedenborgianism, said he got it directly from "gods" and called it the mormon "plan of salvation."
The mormons here visciously turned on me, and Greyfoxx39 and the others took me right in and comforted me. When I say "turned on me" I mean just that, sending emails asking how my daughters were by name, telling me they turned me into the FBI for church shootings and firebombings that happened states away, etc. Want to know the best way to identify a cult ? Watch what they do to people who try to leave. I had to get a court order to keep them away from my daughters.
Recovery was a long and bumpy road. After a year or so I realised how brainwashed I had been. I once was blind, but now I see.
I was baptized a little over a year ago. I am a non-denominational Christian and know that Jesus calls me friend.
shame on you for not loving our goats...but they make better sausage than stew..Elsie has 4, I had a large flock that needed to thinned out once in a while. You bad mouth Elsie’s goats and He will put a curse on you, not a bad one, maybe only a stubbed toe....LOL
;-)
Now that you have refreshed my memory, I do recall that time. Please forgive me for not having been there to help much, myself. Then again, I've never been a Mormon, myself, so left that to those whom you have named (along with others whom provided help as best they could).
I didn't want to try and add to what was then being shared, for fear my own comments might distract, for my own flesh lead me into reacting like "oh yeah? naming your daughters, huh? let me at 'em!" which is NOT of the Spirit of the Lord, t'all.
it is interesting though, how they claim to have the spirit (and none but themselves do!) yet when scratched, they respond with demonic fury. Quite telling!
sorta reminds me of some other folks 'round here, a bit...
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