Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.
It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.
Electoral Votes:
Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206
Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?
Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.
“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.
In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.
Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.
Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.
Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.
Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.
I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.
My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.
Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .
Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.
In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.
There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.
A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .
*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.
*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.
*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.
*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).
And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—
I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.
One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.
Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:
The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”
Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.
“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.
Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”
As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:
…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .
Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?
Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?
What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?
Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .
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So tell me. Does not mormonism teach that a woman is saved through her husband and through Joseph Smith?
Does it not teach that a woman does not enter heaven unless her husband calls her by her secret name?
If he doesn’t call her, she doesn’t go?
Don’t know about you MM, but I am always amused by people who claim all paths lead to a god, but if you disagree with them, they start throwing fits.
There should never be a "but" in that sentence. Don't let the world come between you and Jesus. He either is your Lord and Master or he is not. It's like saying, well he may be the son of God but other people have other beliefs that are true as well. If others don't believe in Jesus, then preach the gospel and bring it to them.
I actually left my wife waiting for 15 minutes at the "veil" in the temple where the husband symbolized bringing the wife into heaven. What can I say ?...she was giving me lip all month and my bishop told me to. I heard of a man that got into his car and went home.
I have repented and God has forgiven me. The Marriage ? Long over, and I deserved it.
Blessings, Saundra. I've had enough cheek turning for a few days. I'll be in touch...
Beware Dave, as Jesus said "The Leaven of the Pharisees".
You cannot work your way to heaven like Pharisees, as mormons teach, and they will corrupt your thinking if you let them.
I don’t preach or shove my beliefs down anyone’s throat. We reason. Gently with mercy. It is no one’s fault for what they were taught. Thanks
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
The only one on this thread I've seen whom is trying to sell stuff for money, is your buddy Davey Smith.
Check out the link he gave me in his own post #447. It leads directly to "the store" on his own web site, Peace Be With U Christian Store & Ministry.
I really have to laugh. One coming here proclaiming "I came on this thread to help" [you, and mormonism in general it appears elsewhere] is the only one here apparently doing what you are accusing others of. For as you have previously stated it;
Perhaps the accusation or insinuation that freepers here are "depending upon anti-mormon business" should be withdrawn until such time as there is actual evidence that even ONE of them, much less "many of them" are in it for the money. I say this for I find no truth evident for the statement, as applied to freepers here with whom you contend. On the contrary, your self-appointed/volunteer "help" though, appears to possibly be here in effort to support & expand his own declared "ministry".
I sourced my Daily Inspiration Scripture (which I have no part of) and you accuse me of hustling? Are you that desperate?
He must call her by her super-secret name in an unknown language.
It would all make a great original-series Star Trek episode.
Yeah, I did notice that.
Kind of hypocritical of them, isn't it?
It's also kind of mind boggling how people will continue to speak out of both sides of their mouths and believe both things to be true, when both cannot possibly be true at the same time.
The depth of deception that enables one to do that is breath-taking in its magnitude.
What is it that you are turning your cheek too?
1 Peter 4:18“If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”
I would like to hear that from the lips of someone who claims that Jesus Christ is their Savior and who adheres to Mormonism.
And I would like to know who that can be reconciled in their minds.
No reason to presume that everyone else was as well. Projection is never a solid basis on which to operate.
They are making a lot of money off of ignorance. Books, tapes, DVDs, speaking tours - all to denounce and condemn Mormons to hell.
While you're addressing the questions about a Mormon woman's husband calling her secret name and that without that she cannot get into heaven, and how Jesus saves you at the same time, and how someone can believe two contradictory things at the same time, perhaps you can provide some shred of evidence somewhere that someone on FR is making oodles of money on anti-Mormonism.
Or I'll make it easier. Show that ANYONE is making money on anti-Mormonism, anywhere.
Yeah, right up there with a council of Gods and the planet Kobol.
Kolob? Really?
Try again......
(proof reading is my friend.....)
Yeah, right up there with a council of gods and the planet Kolob.
Kolob? Really?
Saundra seems you do not even know your own doctrine.. Lucifer is the spirit brother of your jesus...
How is your jesus your savior? Your church says you do all you can and your god does the rest .
In order to be a god LDS says you need to be a faithful observant Mormon , and married.. it also says that one day Mitt can be a god...Southern baptist huh?
Lucifer was the son of your god and one of his wives.. there was a “war “ in heaven when he did not get to be the savior... and so he and his followers were kicked out ( per the LDS)...
Bingo !!
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