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To: Bobsvainbabblings; BlueDragon
Please show me where the Apostles were given a deposit of faith and it's subset actually recorded in Holy Scripture that you can judge these non inspired individuals to be consistent with.

Gladly. Given the deposit of faith:

contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints. (Jude 1:3)

A subset recorded:

Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples, which are not written in this book. [31] But these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God: and that believing, you may have life in his name. (John 20:30-31)

there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written. (John 21:25)

you can judge these non inspired individuals

[The Bereans] were more noble than those in Thessalonica, who received the word with all eagerness, daily searching the scriptures, whether these things were so. (Acts 17:11)

The work of Chrisitans may be inspired at all times

I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever (John 14:16) ... he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.(Ibid 14:26)

Only the version of Scripture you provided states you will not sin at any time. Most say stumble.

True. The original says "μη πταισητε", "make a false step" (link). Which is a stronger statement than "you shall not sin": you shall not even stumble. Did you read the entire passage? It clearly says that you must work on your character and faith as a disciple to make sure your election. Use any translation you like, we can iron out translation problems later.

He says I have salvation unless I blaspheme His Spirit.

No, He says that you can be forgiven. That is Catholic teaching: any sin can be washed away in confession. You, too, can confess your sin of presumption learn the proper doctrine and resume your path toward your salvation in the Cathilic Church that Christ purchased for us with His blood us for that purpose.

136 posted on 10/30/2012 5:40:56 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

The Catholic religion is based on the fallacy that Jesus gave the 12 something that was not given to all believers, including us. They accomplish that by inferring, changing or taking scripture out of context to have Jesus teaching only the 12 when He is speaking to His disciples.

The obvious counter to that would be Pentecost. There were about 120 disciples including women. All were filled with the Holy Spirit.

Jesus mentions forgiving sin on several occasions. The only time he is specific is when Peter asked Him how many times, he Peter, has to forgive a brother who sins against him, Peter. Jesus tells Peter 70 X 7.

He goes on to explain that His Father cannot forgive Peter, or us, our sins against Him, The Father, if we don’t forgive a brother when they ask. We have to loose our sins so they are not bond in heaven.

I have asked, on several occasions, for any Catholic to provide me with specific scripture where Jesus gave Peter, or anyone else, the ability to forgive a man’s sin or sins against God for God. So far none has provided them. Would you be so kind?

Scripture states the penalty or penance for sin is spiritual death. The penance for sin for Catholics is 10 Hail Mary and 5 Our Fathers. Sounds like a good deal to me.

May God our Father lead us to His truth. BVB


140 posted on 10/30/2012 8:44:58 AM PDT by Bobsvainbabblings
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