Whatever the state of Judaism at the time of the Romans’ destruction of the second Bais Hamikdash (Temple), has nothing to do with what I am talking about. I was addressing the fact that evangelism is hateful to Torah-true Jews, especially coming from our tormentors through the ages.
Still, I’ll take the trouble to tell you that the Jews prior to the Roman decimation had NOT fallen into “intense apostasy”. There were corrupt elements among the Jewish people and G-d found the conduct of the general population with regard to the way they treated each other was lacking. The prophets always spoke in harsh terms as a form of exhortation and because for the Jewish people, minor transgressions were deemed serious faults in their devotion because Hashem expected the very best behavior from them.
The nature of G-d’s judgment of Israel and of the Nations is beyond human comprehension and to the degree that it can be understood, it is far beyond the ken of non-Jews or Torah illiterate Jews. The suffering of the Jewish people is all part of G-d’s plan, but, consistent with that, not one agent of that suffering among the nations, nor a single deed will go unpunished in Hashem’s good time, which is forever. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with our rejection of the false prophet of Christianity. If anything, our steadfast refusal to bow before the church, the crusaders, the Spanish Inquisition and the countless attempts to force us to convert, is one of the most heroic stories of all time.
“What’s interesting is that you blame Christianity for your problems”. I don’t see where you got this from anything I said. I just said, the Christian track record of persecuting Jews makes them very poor messengers for telling us what our Torah means, just as their rejection of the Torah disqualifies Christians from telling Jews what to believe.
Luke, of course, wrote whatever he wrote after the events and simply repeated what had already been said by Jeremiah, Isaiah and other legitimate prophets. So citing his words means nothing to me.
True Torah prophecies have been fulfilled and will continue to be fulfilled, including the prophecy that the Third Temple will be rebuilt, that the true Moshiach will soon arrive and that the Nations of the world will experience both a reckoning and a revelation that Hashem is the one true G-d and there never was and never will be any other.
Why do you think one of the most Well Respected Rabbi’s
Rabbi Kaduri was not believed?
Rabbi Kaduri reveals name of Moshiach before death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xCUnDuycPQ
“Whatever the state of Judaism at the time of the Romans’ destruction of the second Bais Hamikdash (Temple), has nothing to do with what I am talking about. I was addressing the fact that evangelism is hateful to Torah-true Jews, especially coming from our tormentors through the ages.”
It is inherently important, as it was judgment from God on the Jewish nation just like every other time the Temple was destroyed. But you do not stop and ask what was the judgment for? Why was there a genocide of Jews, Jews murdering Jews, cannibalism within the city, corruption upon every seat of power, and corruption and profanity even within the Temple itself as the end drew closer and closer. Why did such horrible things come to pass? And why was Israel so utterly scattered and persecuted so horribly over the past 2,000 years from communists to Nazis to Christians to non-Christians from city to city?
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“Still, I’ll take the trouble to tell you that the Jews prior to the Roman decimation had NOT fallen into “intense apostasy”. There were corrupt elements among the Jewish people and G-d found the conduct of the general population with regard to the way they treated each other was lacking. “
So because of a few corrupt elements among the Jewish people God had people starve to death in Jerusalem, had mass crucifixions occur, had Jews murder Jews, and utterly destroyed the Temple, scattering the people, allowing humilation upon humiliation upon the Jewish people, and keeping it that way for almost 2,000 years... all because of some corrupt elements? And it was not just a few elements here or there. Even the High Priest, himself, at the time of the destruction was not legally a High Priest. You are describing a collapse of every level of society as a small problem... and then you claim to speak for God. But where did God express that opinion?
“The nature of G-d’s judgment of Israel and of the Nations is beyond human comprehension and to the degree that it can be understood, it is far beyond the ken of non-Jews or Torah illiterate Jews.”
The easy way to understand it is just to read Daniel’s 70 Weeks and then do the required math and see what time period you end up in.
Certainly your victimhood is your entire argument here. What I said was correct. I reject it, of course. Not because I think Jews deserve special judgment. But because I know it’s simply an emotional argument to forbid, rather conveniently, reasoning on the topic.