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To: 5thGenTexan
Jesus was not killed by the Jews - he was killed by the powerful elites of the day for political reasons (He threatened their power). Those powerful political elites just happened to be Jewish and Roman.

A very odd statement, IMO.

Was Jesus killed by "The Jews," IWO did all or most of the nation get together and conspire to kill him? Of course not. Any more than the Roman nation did.

Was he killed by Jews, that is by people who were Jews, in fact the designated leaders of the nation? Pretty much. The Gospel accounts are clear that the Jews were the ones who decided he had to die and who did whatever was necessary to reach that goal.

Does this let Pilate off the hook? Nope. He was obviously willing to kill a man he knew to be innocent just to avoid hassle to himself. A truly evil thing to do.

But was he the driving force behind the murder? Nope. He did not have a clue who Jesus was until he was brought before him.

The logical conclusion is that a group of Jewish leaders were the ones primarily responsible for the murder. Does their bloodguilt descend to their progeny for all eternity? Of course not, no more than any other crime.

But focusing on the killers power status as being their main identifier rather than on ethnicity seems very odd to me. By their own words they killed him for what they saw as threats to the Jewish religion and nation, IOW for specifically religious reasons.

14 posted on 07/26/2012 12:51:08 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Acckkk. Left out an important distinction.

The Gospel accounts are clear that the Jews Jewish leaders were the ones who decided he had to die and who did whatever was necessary to reach that goal.

15 posted on 07/26/2012 12:52:49 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

But focusing on the killers power status as being their main identifier rather than on ethnicity seems very odd to me. By their own words they killed him for what they saw as threats to the Jewish religion and nation, IOW for specifically religious reasons.


Did the Jewish religion condone killing in such a situation. Just asking - I don’t know.


20 posted on 07/26/2012 1:06:42 PM PDT by freedomlover
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To: Sherman Logan

YOU AND ME AND THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE put Jesus on that cross. Remember Jesus’ death and resurrection was NOT a tragedy it was an ACHIEVEMNT! He gave us the chance to avoid DAMNATION by accepting HIM as lord and savior and head of our lives!


25 posted on 07/26/2012 1:15:24 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Sherman Logan
Did you misread my statement? You say it's odd, but seem to be in agreement that "the Jews" did not kill Jesus.

My contention is that He was killed by the political leadership of the area in power at that time, who just happened to be Jews and Romans.

My point is, as a Christian, I hold no animosity towards the Jewish faith for the crucifixion. I was not trying to be controversial (this time :-).

38 posted on 07/26/2012 2:26:51 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Sherman Logan; 5thGenTexan

Correctly stated. Even taken coldly the “blood libel” cannot be read to be for all Jews — even by the broadest of brushes. It would be for those people who uttered it — and their descendents who could be Jews or Christians or Moslems or even Buddhists or Hindus.


64 posted on 07/27/2012 3:53:17 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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