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God is the greatest liberal claims No 3 in Catholic Churc
Catholic Church Conservation ^ | 10 July 2012 | Cathcon

Posted on 07/09/2012 4:28:17 PM PDT by Gillibrand

Relaxed and at ease, Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller returns a week after his appointment as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to the Diocese of Regensburg. A series of interviews for journalists are on the agenda for Friday: liberation theology, the SSPX and the situation of divorced and remarried. Minefields for an ecclesiastic, who has moved to third place in the Vatican's ecclesiastical pecking order.

Archbishop Mueller, first of all, congratulations on the new job. Since when did you know about your appointment?

I definitely knew it on 16 May, when the Holy Father has summoned me to his presence.

Did your commitment to the liberation theology endangers your appointment?

I do not know. If you know the Catholic faith, we know that to her essentially belong the social obligation, the responsibility for the world, the love of the poor. Liberation theology is a big word - but every Christian theology has something to do with the freedom of man. Also in South America in this context, it is about theological questions: Given the misery and indignity that many people around us can not imagine, given this glaring injustice, we can not simply go away with a pious raising of eyebrows about it. Faith and doing good go together. These are the two sides of a coin.

Are you then in agreement with the Pope?

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Politics; Theology
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To: gorush; UCANSEE2

Can’t somebody at least go for the “the disciples stole the body” argument? You’re really not getting anywhere running from the question.


121 posted on 07/09/2012 8:38:32 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: gorush
That is a leap of faith that I am not willing to make.

Good. Because I made it up.

122 posted on 07/09/2012 8:39:43 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

Finally, we are getting somewhere. :{)


123 posted on 07/09/2012 8:42:02 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: reasonisfaith
If the Resurrection didn’t happen, the Bible is nothing but a fairy tale.

Thank you for your honest response. I wish everyone could be so honest. I totally respect your belief.

124 posted on 07/09/2012 8:43:04 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: gorush
Human nature and technology are in no way related.

I know. I just thought that what you said was true, and that serious discussion of it would not help this thread, so I drew a picture.

125 posted on 07/09/2012 8:45:27 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

But if the Resurrection did happen, then Jesus Christ is Lord!


126 posted on 07/09/2012 8:48:07 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: UCANSEE2

Well, then I apologize and thank you at the same time. Time for bed...schlaffen zie gut und guten abend.


127 posted on 07/09/2012 8:48:31 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: UCANSEE2; gorush

Of course, if the disciples stole the body to make it look like Christ had risen when he really hadn’t, why would they turn around and devote their lives to poverty, hardship and certain torture and death?

And if either the Jewish or Roman authorities had possession of the body of Jesus, they would certainly have put it on display in order to crush this new religion which was such a threat to their power.


128 posted on 07/09/2012 8:48:43 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: Springfield Reformer

I am so glad you can take a joke.

Your comments are just as welcome as mine, and I was ribbing you because you came on pretty strong to GORUSH.

I hope I have made a new friend, and not a new enemy.

: )


129 posted on 07/09/2012 8:51:09 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: gorush; UCANSEE2

But history shows the news of the day was that the tomb was empty.

The Roman authorities accepted it.

The Jewish authorities did also.

There were no claims during that period in history contradicting the fact of the empty tomb.


130 posted on 07/09/2012 8:53:28 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: reasonisfaith
No. And if you felt attacked, I apologize.

No. I thought you were calling GORUSH an ignoramus because he said he's an agnostic. See the logic ?

I was quoting a Cambridge scholar regarding agnostic being translated in Latin as “ignoramus.”

Yeah... you gotta watch those ENGLISH to LATIN translators at Cambridge. It was probably a fraternity prank.

: )

131 posted on 07/09/2012 9:00:35 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: reasonisfaith
You’re really not getting anywhere running from the question.

I wasn't running. Whether Jesus was in the tomb , or not, or his body went up in a beam of light, somewhere later, is not the basis of my 'faith' in GOD.

132 posted on 07/09/2012 9:09:30 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: gorush
Finally, we are getting somewhere.

OK. But don't tell anybody.

It's all made up. Everything. There, are you happy now?

: )

The bad part is you are right, and there is no proof either way. Never will be. It's really a matter of personal decision. Back to what I said first. It's all in your head.

Thank you, I'll send a bill.

(just joking)

133 posted on 07/09/2012 9:14:05 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: gorush
schlaffen zie gut und guten abend.

Yeah, me too. It is getting late , isn't it. My how time flies on the religious threads.

134 posted on 07/09/2012 9:17:19 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: reasonisfaith; gorush; UCANSEE2
You are quite right that the resurrection of Jesus Christ is THE turning point upon which ALL those who sincerely seek for truth must address. When I went through a time of doubt, it was this truth that out of all the others which convinced me that Jesus Christ was indeed who He claimed to be and that He was deserving of my faith and life. This link (Contemporary Scholarship and the Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ ) is a good one for laying it out on the line about who Jesus was and is and that He is more than able to answer any questions or doubts we may have. God said in Hebrews 11:6, But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

God is not offended by our doubts, He welcomes them. "Come and let us REASON TOGETHER", He says. The worse thing we can do is to give up on the idea that truth can be known. It DOES exist and all God asks is that we diligently and sincerely seek Him. Ask and you SHALL receive. Knock and the door SHALL be opened. Seek and you SHALL find. God says that He will reward those who seek to know Him. I now have NO doubts at all because unlike the world who says "seeing is believing", I have learned that, with God, "believing is seeing". It takes a step of faith, sure, but that is what God wants us to do. But after we do take that step, He is there to blow our minds with the evidence and we WILL see!

135 posted on 07/09/2012 9:18:00 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: reasonisfaith
But if the Resurrection did happen, then Jesus Christ is Lord!

I hope so, because even GOD said in the Bible that we are a pretty evil lot, and without some forgiveness, we could all be in a heap of big trouble.

136 posted on 07/09/2012 9:25:45 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SampleMan

He thinks he’s Jesus rep. on earth.


137 posted on 07/09/2012 9:34:25 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The First Bystander must be removed!)
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To: SampleMan

He thinks he’s Jesus rep. on earth.


138 posted on 07/09/2012 9:34:42 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The First Bystander must be removed!)
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To: Gillibrand

Number 3?

Nonsense!

I don’t think you are talking about the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.


139 posted on 07/09/2012 9:38:46 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: reasonisfaith; UCANSEE2
I was quoting a Cambridge scholar regarding agnostic being translated in Latin as “ignoramus.” I would think it’s close.

The word "agnostic" means "without knowledge". "Gnosis" means knowledge and "a" means without. So one who calls himself an Agnostic is basically saying he is without knowledge. There's nothing wrong with being without knowledge about certain truths but to want to remain in that state and not try to be "with knowledge" could be thought of as ignorant behavior ESPECIALLY for someone who is capable of understanding.

140 posted on 07/09/2012 9:43:35 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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