[BlueDragon]

Fairy tales, Cronos? And then you, (as has Titanites all along during this exchange) add additional insult? Where do you two get off?

Perhaps your beef is with historians, among them U.S. Park Service historians whom publish information as;

"...Having lost most of their food and weapons in the shipwreck, they did surrender. However, when Menéndez then demanded that they give up their Protestant faith and accept Catholicism, they refused. 111 Frenchmen were killed. Only sixteen were spared - a few who professed being Catholic, some impressed Breton sailors, and four artisans needed at St. Augustine.

Two weeks later the sequence of events was repeated. More French survivors appeared at the inlet, including Jean Ribault. On October 12 Ribault and his men surrendered and met their fate, again refusing to give up their faith. This time 134 were killed. From that time, the inlet was called Matanzas -- meaning "slaughters" in Spanish."

Here's a portion of memoir of the events, written by a Catholic priest present at the slaughter of Ribault and his men at Matanzas, which counting the attack on Ft. Caroline, was the third and final repetition of the same barbarity, the fulfillment of the orders given by Philip II as the expressly stated reason for the voyage of Menendez, which was to kill all Lutherans found in Florida.

...Immediately the general sent him back to his countrymen, to say they must surrender, and give up their arms, or he would put them all to death. A French gentleman, who was a sergeant, brought back the reply that they would surrender, on condition their lives should be spared. After having parleyed a long time, our brave captain-general answered, "that he would make no promises; that they must surrender unconditionally, and lay down their arms; because if he spared their lives, he wanted them to be grateful for it; and if they were put to death, that there should be no cause for complaint." Seeing that there was nothing else left for them to do, the sergeant returned to the camp; and soon after he brought all their arms and flags, and gave them up to the general, and surrendered unconditionally. Finding they were all Lutherans, the captain-general ordered them all to be put to death; but as I was a priest, and had bowels of mercy, I begged him to grant me the favor of sparing those whom we might find to be Christians. He granted it; and I made investigations, and found ten or twelve of the men Roman Catholics, whom we brought back. All the others were executed, because they were Lutherans and enemies of our Holy Catholic faith. All this took place on Saturday (St. Michael's Day), September 29, 1565.

I, FRANCISCO LOPEZ DE MENDOZA GRAJALES, Chaplain of His Lordship, certify that the foregoing is a statement of what actually happened.

FRANCISCO LOPEZ DE MENDOZA GRAJALES.

And here's a small excerpt from; NARRATIVE OF Don SOLIS DE LAS MERAS, brother-in-law of Don PEDRO MENENDEZ DE AVILES, Adelantado of Florida, translated from BARCIA, "Ensayo chronologico para la Historia General de la Florida," Madrid, 1723.

"...They replied, We are satisfied with your statement, and begged as a favor that he would give them some ships to take them back to France. The Adelantado said that he had no ships to spare but he would do so willingly, and if he had some to spare, if they were Catholics; that he had recently sent one to Fort San Matteo (Fort Carolin), to bring the artillery; one to St. Domingo, with the women and children he had captured; and one with dispatches to Spain. The Frenchmen then begged the Adelantado to let his people remain with him until he could furnish them with ships and provisions to take them back to France, as there was then no war between the two nations, and the Kings of France and Spain were friends and brothers.The Adelantado replied that this was true, but that, as they were Lutherans, he looked upon them as enemies, and would wage war against them with fire and sword, whether on sea or land, for the King; "as I have come here to establish the Holy Roman Catholic faith in Florida..."

source; Extraits de l'histoire coloniale de la Floride et de la Louisiane

additional source;Appletons' Cyclopædia of American Biography/Gourgues, Dominique Chevalier de

[Titanites]

And then you, (as has Titanites all along during this exchange) add additional insult? Where do you two get off?

There is no need to make it personal.

Through the discussions I have never denied there was a religious component to what happened. However, religion was not the primary factor. You can’t deny the role the French military played. In fact, Menéndez took advantage of Ribault being away from the French garrison at Fort Caroline to place an attack on Menéndez. Menéndez was victorious, which I’m sure irks some, and he showed mercy on the non-combatants and those who were Catholic. From the Florida Department of State:

Menéndez arrived in 1565 at a place he called San Augustín (St. Augustine) and established the first permanent European settlement in what is now the United States. He accomplished his goal of expelling the French, attacking and killing all settlers except for non-combatants and Frenchmen who professed belief in the Roman Catholic faith.

The French were threatening the shipping lanes and other interests of the Spanish and the King of Spain wanted it stopped. In your first post to me on this thread you started throwing around the word slander because I mentioned pirates from Fort Caroline. I’ve already shown you from one of your own preferred sources that soldiers from Fort Caroline were pirates who attacked Spanish vessels in the Caribbean.

Once again, as I’ve stated numerous times previously, I don’t deny there was a religious component involved. The Catholics thought the Huguenots were heretics. Do you not think the Huguenots thought the Catholics were heretics? I do deny that religion was the primary factor for why the King wanted the French removed from Florida. And the evidence I’ve posted supports that. To spin this as a Catholic massacre against humble Huguenots simply building a church in Florida is misleading, at best. All I’ve been doing is refuting this deception. I can’t help it if that messes with your preconceived ideas.

[Alex Murphy]

Here's a portion of memoir of the events, written by a Catholic priest present at the slaughter of Ribault and his men at Matanzas, which counting the attack on Ft. Caroline, was the third and final repetition of the same barbarity, the fulfillment of the orders given by Philip II as the expressly stated reason for the voyage of Menendez, which was to kill all Lutherans found in Florida.

Well, imagine that!

[Cronos]

Fairy tales, Cronos?

yes, BD, as I said these are a Fairly common occurence in BD's posts. I put it down to lack of reading of history and in other cases, lack of reading of the Bible. ....

[Cronos]

“kill all Lutherans found in Florida.” -— duuuuh.... the Huguenots, the founders of apartheid were Calvinists. For that matter both are quite different from your Baptist ilk....